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Taika Waititi Sucks, Ask Me How
Majority of quotes pulled from this article by Screen Rant.
And here are some things Taika Waititi, the so-called “saviour” of the Thor franchise (*vomit*) has said about the indescribably complex God of Mischief, and about his own role in “reinventing” the franchise.
Having absolutely no respect for the source material is always a good place to start when making a film, right? Good fight, Marvel.
Oh boy. Let’s break this down. What have we got here?
We’ve got
Inability to empathize with others
Stigmatizing of mental illness
Openly insulting your target audience
Having no clue what a character having “dimensions” means
I’m not being nitpicky here. I’m genuinely clueless as to what he means by Banner having “dimensions” in Thor: Ragnarok. In prior movies, Banner was intelligent and empathetic. He cared about who he hurt when he would transform into the Hulk. By contrast, in Ragnarok, he walked around chronically confused and was not the least bit fazed about having killed people for sport.
It’s very, very interesting to me that Waititi refers specifically to “feeling guilt about our behaviour”. That’s literally the exact opposite of what Waititi portrayed in this film. Every character does horrible things and none of them shows an iota of regret for their actions. Was this man high while he was filming? Did he not watch his own movie?
Again with the inability to empathize with Loki and Thor solely because they’re rich. This is how you know he didn’t watch the previous films. He chronically has no idea what he’s talking about.
We shouldn’t empathise with Loki finding out he was kidnapped from a race that he’s been brought up to believe are subhuman—because he’s rich? We shouldn’t empathise with desperately trying to prove his worth—because he’s rich? We shouldn’t empathise with feeling invisible and unappreciated—because he’s rich? We shouldn’t empathise with Thor’s quest to become a better person— because he’s rich? We shouldn’t empathise with the emotional abuse both Loki and Thor endure at Odin’s hands—because they’re rich? We shouldn’t empathise with Loki having a mental health crisis that ends in committing suicide because that’s preferable to disappointing his father yet again—because he’s rich? What on earth is wrong with Taika Waititi?
Alongside Waititi’s inability to empathise with rich children, he seems to have a bizarre problem with orphans. Thank god there are no orphans in real life; they might get offended.
► Taika Waititi: “Well, I wanted this little thing, and maybe if we ever do a Thor 4 we can have it, but I wanted to do some flashbacks where Thor was a kid, a fat little kid. There was like an 80s version of Asgard where everyone had massive shoulder pads, and everyone had mullets. Our idea was Thor and Valkyrie meet and he’s like, ‘Hey I know you,’ and she’s like, ‘Ha, I remember you,’ and then it cuts back to this thing and he’s just this pudgy little kid walking around with a mullet and being picked on by other kids. And Loki’s like this little emo goth hanging out by himself. He was like the kid in Harry Potter, [Malfoy].”
Just a reminder—as established at the beginning of this article, Thor (2011) literally opened with a scene of Thor and Loki as kids and this is what they looked like:
Also, has Taika Waititi even watched Harry Potter? When has Draco Malfoy ever hung out by himself? Dips#*&.
There’s a bizarre trend in cinema as a whole wherein a woman can only be considered “strong” insofar as she inhabits certain stereotypically masculine virtues. Being intelligent makes a woman boring. Being pretty makes a woman boring (Side note: I’m not sure what he’s intending to say about Tessa Thompson here? Is she not pretty?). In Taika Waititi’s world, a woman can only be strong insofar as she’s “more of a guy than the guys”. Please tell me again about how “woke” this man is. I’m being serious, I truly can’t see it. Citation needed.
All of this is not even getting into the grotesqueness of using Valkyrie’s alcoholism as a punchline. Yet more ableism from the oh-so-“progressive” Waititi.
Additional examples of Waititi’s “respectful disrespect” of previous canon, with a specific focus on Loki (the majority of quotes provided here come from this Empire Film podcast).
► “Not to really want to humiliate Loki all the way through the film, but because he was definitely overpowering in the other films in terms of his presence and his story… it was nice to just switch it around.”
► “You really see that Thor has given up on trying to save Loki, and doesn’t give a shit about him anymore. And once you take away that—which, to be honest, gets pretty boring when you have to listen him say to Loki, ‘Oh, stop this madness’ while Loki’s just being a little shit for the entire film—it’s nice to turn the tables a bit.”
► “I would just feed them lines and feed Chris ideas for stories. I’d say, ‘Do another one, in this one say: ‘I was walking through a field, and I saw a lovely Turkish rug in the middle of the grass, and I love Turkish rugs, so I went to stand on it, and it was Loki, and he turned back into Loki and there was a hole and I fell through the hole and was impaled on a whole lot of spikes.’”
► “[Thor’s] brother [has been] trying to kill him his entire life.”
► “My favorite performance is Chris’s performance because just knowing how fun he is and funny and charming, and he often is the kind of person who makes you feel like, ‘Oh, man, if you actually were Thor, I would totally come on an adventure with you.’ I just love having the opportunity to give him free rein to just be himself and to be charming and to be the favorite character.”
There you have it. By his own admission, Taika had two agendas: making sure Thor was the favourite character and letting Chris Hemsworth play himself instead of playing—I’ll say it again—the character he was hired to play.
► “We basically just destroyed everything that went before[…]The play scene in the film was meant to be our message to the audience, saying, ‘Whatever you’ve held onto, whatever you fell in love with in the last films, allow us to respectfully disrespect that stuff.’”
Some Loki fans have taken to calling this the Ragnarok Cinematic Universe, which in my view is not at all unfair. It gives no regard to anything that came before it; it freely and gleefully rewrites previously established canon. For fans of the first two Thor movies and of The Avengers (2012), it is its own universe. No matter how hard you try, you cannot reconcile them. I’m sorry, but that’s just a fact. That’s not me saying that, it’s the source material saying it. It’s Taika Waititi saying it. The amount of mental gymnastics required to reconcile these films into one universe—to accept all of the movies as canon—is not possible to achieve. You have to give precedence either to the original films or to Ragnarok. You cannot accept both as canon, because they exist in direct contrast with one another.
In conclusion, Taika Waititi is a selfish sack of trash who doesn’t give a damn about artistic integrity or respecting continuity and/or basic logic. His movie is full of countless plotholes, and he doesn’t care. The only thing he cared about was making the cheap comedy he felt like making, whether that fit the franchise or not and no matter who he and Chris Hemsworth had to throw under the bus to do it. But hey. No respectful disrespect to either of them. That makes it better, right? I don’t know, I’m still trying to figure out how all this works now.
Bonus:
Just imagine if he’d done this with a female cast member. I don’t have to like Chris Hemsworth to be disgusted by his objectification.
I would need more time to unpack all this but… I didn’t really like Ragnarok that much when I watched it. Idk if these specifically are the reasons why. But it’s nice to know I’m not the only one who watched it and was like….what?
I thought Ragnarok was funny, and Taika was a pretty and funny dude. But this? This ain’t cool, dude.
Wow, just….yikes.
Ragnarok had some decent raw potential in it, some cool elements, and funny moments (I admit, the snake joke killed me)… but the execution was just so bad. I didn’t hate all of it but I gotta say the bulk of it I just didn’t enjoy - even if it did make me laugh.
They just didn’t feel like the characters I grew to love. Loki was the only one whose character didn’t change radically and he was just there to be a buttmonkey! And Valkyrie? Nothing against Tessa but she just didn’t feel right for the part. Ugh, not to mention that pointless scene of Thor trying to seem Not Sexist even tho he literally grew up in a culture in which Valkyrie’s, a group of only female warriors, were respected so much that Thor wanted to be one as a child before he knew they were all women. I can’t remember how the scene went exactly but it was so dumb.
Also it felt like they tried to cram too much into the movie. Like the best parts of the movie were on Asgard, dealing with Hela and Heimdall. It felt like I was watching two different movies and they both just sorta awkwardly collided towards the end.
I can honestly say that Ragnarok killed all my love for the MCU and obliterated my desire to see any future MCU movies. The only thing I watched afterward was Black Panther, because my parents rented it, and that was ultimately the final nail in that coffin. Captain Marvel, and all I heard and saw about it, was like encasing the coffin in cement and throwing it into the ocean.
It’s like the people in charge think “yeah let’s change everything people love about these characters, show off how supposedly woke we are, insult our target audience, and just dangle the actors paychecks in front of them while the camera is rolling - those nerds watching will see it regardless, why put forth effort?!”
Anyway, this guy… what a douche. Dude, if you wanted to direct a superhero comedy, fuckin’ wait for, pfft, idk, Squirrel Girl or some shit - pretty sure the comics fucked that series to hell and back already so you could probably milk something out of it.
You know, someone should do a complete rewrite of Ragnarok as a fanfic - but, you know, make it good. You could have the exact same circumstances going on, just don’t make it fucking stupid. God, I hope someone ambitious will do it.
hmmm I remember after watching it for the first time, telling my sis that it was okay, but the only way I saw for me to enjoy it was to forget literally everything that came before.
I can’t really form the right words for how I felt about the movie but this commentary is at least comforting for me to know that not everyone enjoyed it as much as I thought.
I have so many mixed feeling on Ragnarok, truthfully. As a casual moviegoer I really really like it. Viewing it as it’s own film separate from the rest of the MCU: the characters were dynamic, the jokes were funny, (though can get stale) and it was overall entertaining. A casual popcorn flick.
As a more devoted Marvel fan, however… I understand the loathing. Taika totally disregarded any past canon. Characters took actions they wouldn’t normally and the emphasis on humor really downplayed the drama some events (such as the destruction of Asgard) should of had. Not to mention the fact all of Thor’s friends (characters who had at least been semi-prominent in past Thor films) were just casually killed off within the first few minuets. The movie certainly had its iconic moments, but the description of “a Guardians of The Galaxy movie but with Thor” isn’t entirely inaccurate. Despite all this, I do know with sufficiant certainty that Hemsworth did enjoy working with Taika despite disagreements. I can’t say the same exact same for perhaps Ruffalo and Hiddleston, but I digress.
Seeing that Taika is going to be having more involvement with the MCU is making me… Anxious, to say the least - but I do hold hope that he’ll stick more close to canon with future installments.
Of course Hemsworth enjoyed working with Taika. Bringing TW in was his idea. Chris has been tastelessly open about the fact that he disliked and was bored with playing ‘old Thor,’ and he essentially begged Feige to burn the franchise to the ground and start over.
Which is why half the Loki fandom loathes Chris just as much as we loathe Taika. After all, getting rid of literally everything from the previous films was his idea.
@nikkoliferous
I think you are right that it was actually CH who started this.
I’ve been looking up more articles and interviews, and Waititi says that he was first approached (via his agent) by Marvel “because of his unique voice”. Once he agreed to a meeting (I’m paraphrasing a bit from the video):
Right at the beginning they (Weidenbaum? Marvel execs) said they wanted to “move away from all that (the previous Thor movies), we want to do something different to those films, move away from that tone and do something more fun, that showcases Chris’s comic abilities.”
Waititi then told the screenwriter Pearson that the main things to aim for were:
“I want this to be fun. I want Thor to be the coolest character. It’s a Thor movie. He should be the coolest character.” And, “Do not be restrained by anything from the previous two movies.”
The internet articles all speculate that Marvel wanted to do something different because, at the time, Thor: the Dark World had the lowest rating on Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes of all MCU films (edit: and it still does), and because both Thor films had underperformed in the box office.
(Also, that TDW was too dark and grim and something more colorful was in order.)
But, @sevensamurai1951 broke down the numbers and it turns out that if you adjust for inflation and the particular circumstances of China’s film theater situation at the time, Thor: Ragnarok pulled in about the expected revenue that a Thor 3 film would have done, regardless.
So this being an ego thing mainly, and the money being an outward excuse, sounds more and more likely to me now.
What I would like to know is why CH has so much pull with these people. Is he personal friends with Kevin Feige, or…?
Now, Wikipedia says that originally Alan Taylor was the first pick to direct Thor 3, and Kevin Feige initially had said that Ragnarok would pick up where TDW left off, but then Taylor declined because in TDW he was given so much freedom to direct… and then the editing process turned out something entirely different than what he thought he had delivered, and he didn’t want to repeat the experience.
They kept brainstorming different possibilities for the story at Marvel before Waititi was brought on board, and by the time Pearson was brought in, the only firm ideas they had were that they wanted a space adventure, and that they wanted Hulk, Hela (Cate Blanchett’s negotiations were finalizing), Skurge and Valkyrie.
Pearson said:
Because we were moving so fast and I had to turn the script around so fast, those first two months, January and February, my weekend meant I got to work from home on Sunday. I was in the office, sometimes until two, three in the morning. I would think, as we were moving forward, “You know what I really want? I want Hela to give a speech. I want to see Cate Blanchett as the Goddess of Death stating her intentions to a bunch of people.” That was one approach.
Waititi also said that he was given (disclaimer: ESL here, I might have misheard? it’s in the first video interview I linked) The Cannonball Run as an example of the tone they wanted, which surprised him a bit.
So I speculate that the “make Ragnarok serious/like TDW” idea fell apart around the same time that CH had his reported meeting with Kevin Feige where he asked him to let him cut loose with Thor?
Don’t get me wrong, though, I still loathe Waititi’s attitude and role in this.
In that first interview I linked, Waititi says that he wouldn’t have felt comfortable directing Guardians of the Galaxy 3, or a Captain America film, or any of the other MCU film series, because he felt those franchises were already well established, but that MCU Thor didn’t feel to him like it was established yet, so he felt free to mold it as he pleased. 🙃
He also claims that he had already watched the Thor films before, and that he watched TDW again before his meeting with Marvel to refresh it in his mind.
Oh, oh, also, @nikkoliferous, I edited my super long post about how Loki was retconned in Ragnarok, to add this golden nugget I just found, I’m still so salty I hope you don’t mind if I copy-paste it here:
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/new-movies/how-thor-pulled-off-huge-celebrity-cameo/news-story/24629142c1a8dfeeef8f828a1fdacf30
“I thought if I was Loki and I was ruling Asgard, I would write a play about myself and force everyone to go and see it — change the details of the play and get a huge celebrity to play myself.” - Taika Waititi
(The play scene was apparently filmed in the reshoots/additional filming, btw. Matt Damon agreed to do his role on a lark. They had three weeks to do all the reshoots, which included both post-credits scenes (Thanos and the GM; btw they did several improvised jokes with Goldblum while filming that post-credits scene because TW can’t physically stop wasting precious filming time on more jokes, I guess), Odin’s new death scene*, and who knows what else.
* Hela’s introduction/destroying Mjolnir itself seems to have been reused and the background was re-CGI’ed:
https://screenrant.com/thor-3-ragnarok-reshoots-changes-mjolnir-destruction/
The live-action portions of the sequence appear to be the same, meaning for these shots it’s just a case of new background plates being used. )
Taika Waititi Sucks, Ask Me How
Majority of quotes pulled from this article by Screen Rant.
And here are some things Taika Waititi, the so-called “saviour” of the Thor franchise (*vomit*) has said about the indescribably complex God of Mischief, and about his own role in “reinventing” the franchise.
Having absolutely no respect for the source material is always a good place to start when making a film, right? Good fight, Marvel.
Oh boy. Let’s break this down. What have we got here?
We’ve got
Inability to empathize with others
Stigmatizing of mental illness
Openly insulting your target audience
Having no clue what a character having “dimensions” means
I’m not being nitpicky here. I’m genuinely clueless as to what he means by Banner having “dimensions” in Thor: Ragnarok. In prior movies, Banner was intelligent and empathetic. He cared about who he hurt when he would transform into the Hulk. By contrast, in Ragnarok, he walked around chronically confused and was not the least bit fazed about having killed people for sport.
It’s very, very interesting to me that Waititi refers specifically to “feeling guilt about our behaviour”. That’s literally the exact opposite of what Waititi portrayed in this film. Every character does horrible things and none of them shows an iota of regret for their actions. Was this man high while he was filming? Did he not watch his own movie?
Again with the inability to empathize with Loki and Thor solely because they’re rich. This is how you know he didn’t watch the previous films. He chronically has no idea what he’s talking about.
We shouldn’t empathise with Loki finding out he was kidnapped from a race that he’s been brought up to believe are subhuman—because he’s rich? We shouldn’t empathise with desperately trying to prove his worth—because he’s rich? We shouldn’t empathise with feeling invisible and unappreciated—because he’s rich? We shouldn’t empathise with Thor’s quest to become a better person— because he’s rich? We shouldn’t empathise with the emotional abuse both Loki and Thor endure at Odin’s hands—because they’re rich? We shouldn’t empathise with Loki having a mental health crisis that ends in committing suicide because that’s preferable to disappointing his father yet again—because he’s rich? What on earth is wrong with Taika Waititi?
Alongside Waititi’s inability to empathise with rich children, he seems to have a bizarre problem with orphans. Thank god there are no orphans in real life; they might get offended.
► Taika Waititi: “Well, I wanted this little thing, and maybe if we ever do a Thor 4 we can have it, but I wanted to do some flashbacks where Thor was a kid, a fat little kid. There was like an 80s version of Asgard where everyone had massive shoulder pads, and everyone had mullets. Our idea was Thor and Valkyrie meet and he’s like, ‘Hey I know you,’ and she’s like, ‘Ha, I remember you,’ and then it cuts back to this thing and he’s just this pudgy little kid walking around with a mullet and being picked on by other kids. And Loki’s like this little emo goth hanging out by himself. He was like the kid in Harry Potter, [Malfoy].”
Just a reminder—as established at the beginning of this article, Thor (2011) literally opened with a scene of Thor and Loki as kids and this is what they looked like:
Also, has Taika Waititi even watched Harry Potter? When has Draco Malfoy ever hung out by himself? Dips#*&.
There’s a bizarre trend in cinema as a whole wherein a woman can only be considered “strong” insofar as she inhabits certain stereotypically masculine virtues. Being intelligent makes a woman boring. Being pretty makes a woman boring (Side note: I’m not sure what he’s intending to say about Tessa Thompson here? Is she not pretty?). In Taika Waititi’s world, a woman can only be strong insofar as she’s “more of a guy than the guys”. Please tell me again about how “woke” this man is. I’m being serious, I truly can’t see it. Citation needed.
All of this is not even getting into the grotesqueness of using Valkyrie’s alcoholism as a punchline. Yet more ableism from the oh-so-“progressive” Waititi.
Additional examples of Waititi’s “respectful disrespect” of previous canon, with a specific focus on Loki (the majority of quotes provided here come from this Empire Film podcast).
► “Not to really want to humiliate Loki all the way through the film, but because he was definitely overpowering in the other films in terms of his presence and his story… it was nice to just switch it around.”
► “You really see that Thor has given up on trying to save Loki, and doesn’t give a shit about him anymore. And once you take away that—which, to be honest, gets pretty boring when you have to listen him say to Loki, ‘Oh, stop this madness’ while Loki’s just being a little shit for the entire film—it’s nice to turn the tables a bit.”
► “I would just feed them lines and feed Chris ideas for stories. I’d say, ‘Do another one, in this one say: ‘I was walking through a field, and I saw a lovely Turkish rug in the middle of the grass, and I love Turkish rugs, so I went to stand on it, and it was Loki, and he turned back into Loki and there was a hole and I fell through the hole and was impaled on a whole lot of spikes.’”
► “[Thor’s] brother [has been] trying to kill him his entire life.”
► “My favorite performance is Chris’s performance because just knowing how fun he is and funny and charming, and he often is the kind of person who makes you feel like, ‘Oh, man, if you actually were Thor, I would totally come on an adventure with you.’ I just love having the opportunity to give him free rein to just be himself and to be charming and to be the favorite character.”
There you have it. By his own admission, Taika had two agendas: making sure Thor was the favourite character and letting Chris Hemsworth play himself instead of playing—I’ll say it again—the character he was hired to play.
► “We basically just destroyed everything that went before[…]The play scene in the film was meant to be our message to the audience, saying, ‘Whatever you’ve held onto, whatever you fell in love with in the last films, allow us to respectfully disrespect that stuff.’”
Some Loki fans have taken to calling this the Ragnarok Cinematic Universe, which in my view is not at all unfair. It gives no regard to anything that came before it; it freely and gleefully rewrites previously established canon. For fans of the first two Thor movies and of The Avengers (2012), it is its own universe. No matter how hard you try, you cannot reconcile them. I’m sorry, but that’s just a fact. That’s not me saying that, it’s the source material saying it. It’s Taika Waititi saying it. The amount of mental gymnastics required to reconcile these films into one universe—to accept all of the movies as canon—is not possible to achieve. You have to give precedence either to the original films or to Ragnarok. You cannot accept both as canon, because they exist in direct contrast with one another.
In conclusion, Taika Waititi is a selfish sack of trash who doesn’t give a damn about artistic integrity or respecting continuity and/or basic logic. His movie is full of countless plotholes, and he doesn’t care. The only thing he cared about was making the cheap comedy he felt like making, whether that fit the franchise or not and no matter who he and Chris Hemsworth had to throw under the bus to do it. But hey. No respectful disrespect to either of them. That makes it better, right? I don’t know, I’m still trying to figure out how all this works now.
Bonus:
Just imagine if he’d done this with a female cast member. I don’t have to like Chris Hemsworth to be disgusted by his objectification.
I would need more time to unpack all this but… I didn’t really like Ragnarok that much when I watched it. Idk if these specifically are the reasons why. But it’s nice to know I’m not the only one who watched it and was like….what?
I thought Ragnarok was funny, and Taika was a pretty and funny dude. But this? This ain’t cool, dude.
Wow, just….yikes.
Ragnarok had some decent raw potential in it, some cool elements, and funny moments (I admit, the snake joke killed me)… but the execution was just so bad. I didn’t hate all of it but I gotta say the bulk of it I just didn’t enjoy - even if it did make me laugh.
They just didn’t feel like the characters I grew to love. Loki was the only one whose character didn’t change radically and he was just there to be a buttmonkey! And Valkyrie? Nothing against Tessa but she just didn’t feel right for the part. Ugh, not to mention that pointless scene of Thor trying to seem Not Sexist even tho he literally grew up in a culture in which Valkyrie’s, a group of only female warriors, were respected so much that Thor wanted to be one as a child before he knew they were all women. I can’t remember how the scene went exactly but it was so dumb.
Also it felt like they tried to cram too much into the movie. Like the best parts of the movie were on Asgard, dealing with Hela and Heimdall. It felt like I was watching two different movies and they both just sorta awkwardly collided towards the end.
I can honestly say that Ragnarok killed all my love for the MCU and obliterated my desire to see any future MCU movies. The only thing I watched afterward was Black Panther, because my parents rented it, and that was ultimately the final nail in that coffin. Captain Marvel, and all I heard and saw about it, was like encasing the coffin in cement and throwing it into the ocean.
It’s like the people in charge think “yeah let’s change everything people love about these characters, show off how supposedly woke we are, insult our target audience, and just dangle the actors paychecks in front of them while the camera is rolling - those nerds watching will see it regardless, why put forth effort?!”
Anyway, this guy… what a douche. Dude, if you wanted to direct a superhero comedy, fuckin’ wait for, pfft, idk, Squirrel Girl or some shit - pretty sure the comics fucked that series to hell and back already so you could probably milk something out of it.
You know, someone should do a complete rewrite of Ragnarok as a fanfic - but, you know, make it good. You could have the exact same circumstances going on, just don’t make it fucking stupid. God, I hope someone ambitious will do it.
hmmm I remember after watching it for the first time, telling my sis that it was okay, but the only way I saw for me to enjoy it was to forget literally everything that came before.
I can’t really form the right words for how I felt about the movie but this commentary is at least comforting for me to know that not everyone enjoyed it as much as I thought.
I have so many mixed feeling on Ragnarok, truthfully. As a casual moviegoer I really really like it. Viewing it as it’s own film separate from the rest of the MCU: the characters were dynamic, the jokes were funny, (though can get stale) and it was overall entertaining. A casual popcorn flick.
As a more devoted Marvel fan, however… I understand the loathing. Taika totally disregarded any past canon. Characters took actions they wouldn’t normally and the emphasis on humor really downplayed the drama some events (such as the destruction of Asgard) should of had. Not to mention the fact all of Thor’s friends (characters who had at least been semi-prominent in past Thor films) were just casually killed off within the first few minuets. The movie certainly had its iconic moments, but the description of “a Guardians of The Galaxy movie but with Thor” isn’t entirely inaccurate. Despite all this, I do know with sufficiant certainty that Hemsworth did enjoy working with Taika despite disagreements. I can’t say the same exact same for perhaps Ruffalo and Hiddleston, but I digress.
Seeing that Taika is going to be having more involvement with the MCU is making me… Anxious, to say the least - but I do hold hope that he’ll stick more close to canon with future installments.
Of course Hemsworth enjoyed working with Taika. Bringing TW in was his idea. Chris has been tastelessly open about the fact that he disliked and was bored with playing ‘old Thor,’ and he essentially begged Feige to burn the franchise to the ground and start over.
Which is why half the Loki fandom loathes Chris just as much as we loathe Taika. After all, getting rid of literally everything from the previous films was his idea.
@nikkoliferous
I think you are right that it was actually CH who started this.
I’ve been looking up more articles and interviews, and Waititi says that he was first approached (via his agent) by Marvel “because of his unique voice”. Once he agreed to a meeting (I’m paraphrasing a bit from the video):
Right at the beginning they (Weidenbaum? Marvel execs) said they wanted to “move away from all that (the previous Thor movies), we want to do something different to those films, move away from that tone and do something more fun, that showcases Chris’s comic abilities.”
Waititi then told the screenwriter Pearson that the main things to aim for were:
“I want this to be fun. I want Thor to be the coolest character. It’s a Thor movie. He should be the coolest character.” And, “Do not be restrained by anything from the previous two movies.”
The internet articles all speculate that Marvel wanted to do something different because, at the time, Thor: the Dark World had the lowest rating on Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes of all MCU films (edit: and it still does), and because both Thor films had underperformed in the box office.
(Also, that TDW was too dark and grim and something more colorful was in order.)
But, @sevensamurai1951 broke down the numbers and it turns out that if you adjust for inflation and the particular circumstances of China’s film theater situation at the time, Thor: Ragnarok pulled in about the expected revenue that a Thor 3 film would have done, regardless.
So this being an ego thing mainly, and the money being an outward excuse, sounds more and more likely to me now.
What I would like to know is why CH has so much pull with these people. Is he personal friends with Kevin Feige, or…?
Now, Wikipedia says that originally Alan Taylor was the first pick to direct Thor 3, and Kevin Feige initially had said that Ragnarok would pick up where TDW left off, but then Taylor declined because in TDW he was given so much freedom to direct… and then the editing process turned out something entirely different than what he thought he had delivered, and he didn’t want to repeat the experience.
They kept brainstorming different possibilities for the story at Marvel before Waititi was brought on board, and by the time Pearson was brought in, the only firm ideas they had were that they wanted a space adventure, and that they wanted Hulk, Hela (Cate Blanchett’s negotiations were finalizing), Skurge and Valkyrie.
Pearson said:
Because we were moving so fast and I had to turn the script around so fast, those first two months, January and February, my weekend meant I got to work from home on Sunday. I was in the office, sometimes until two, three in the morning. I would think, as we were moving forward, “You know what I really want? I want Hela to give a speech. I want to see Cate Blanchett as the Goddess of Death stating her intentions to a bunch of people.” That was one approach.
Waititi also said that he was given (disclaimer: ESL here, I might have misheard? it’s in the first video interview I linked) The Cannonball Run as an example of the tone they wanted, which surprised him a bit.
So I speculate that the “make Ragnarok serious/like TDW” idea fell apart around the same time that CH had his reported meeting with Kevin Feige where he asked him to let him cut loose with Thor?
Don’t get me wrong, though, I still loathe Waititi’s attitude and role in this.
In that first interview I linked, Waititi says that he wouldn’t have felt comfortable directing Guardians of the Galaxy 3, or a Captain America film, or any of the other MCU film series, because he felt those franchises were already well established, but that MCU Thor didn’t feel to him like it was established yet, so he felt free to mold it as he pleased. 🙃
He also claims that he had already watched the Thor films before, and that he watched TDW again before his meeting with Marvel to refresh it in his mind.
Oh, oh, also, @nikkoliferous, I edited my super long post about how Loki was retconned in Ragnarok, to add this golden nugget I just found, I’m still so salty I hope you don’t mind if I copy-paste it here:
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/new-movies/how-thor-pulled-off-huge-celebrity-cameo/news-story/24629142c1a8dfeeef8f828a1fdacf30
“I thought if I was Loki and I was ruling Asgard, I would write a play about myself and force everyone to go and see it — change the details of the play and get a huge celebrity to play myself.” - Taika Waititi
(The play scene was apparently filmed in the reshoots/additional filming, btw. Matt Damon agreed to do his role on a lark. They had three weeks to do all the reshoots, which included both post-credits scenes (Thanos and the GM; btw they did several improvised jokes with Goldblum while filming that post-credits scene because TW can’t physically stop wasting precious filming time on more jokes, I guess), Odin’s new death scene*, and who knows what else.
* Hela’s introduction/destroying Mjolnir itself seems to have been reused and the background was re-CGI’ed:
https://screenrant.com/thor-3-ragnarok-reshoots-changes-mjolnir-destruction/
The live-action portions of the sequence appear to be the same, meaning for these shots it’s just a case of new background plates being used. )
what happene to all the weeb girls lusting after yaoi
they became k-pop fans
bigweld
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you guys reblog this every wednesday every wednesday i wake up and wonder what day it is and i see bigweld in my tumblr notifications and im like ah its wednesday again bigweld wednesday just like last wednesday its wednesday its bigweld wednesday
guess how i found out today is wednesday
i hate you
over on facebook their automatic hate speech algorithm likes to pick up months-old completely neutral comments and do this shit
and every time i’ve tried to say “right wing” again today they’ve taken it down for inciting violence. literally just for those two words
j e s u s
Thought it was the perfect time to bring these back:
Also, for those who still don't know, these panels are not real moon knight panels. They're still hilarious though, and the actual moon knight comics are even more wacky.
Edit: for those wanting some moon knight craziness from the actual comics, here you go!
Comic by PetFoolery
Hands up if you'd also adopt that little noodle! ✋
Tags by @interstellarvagabond
THERE'S A SEQUEL!
MR. NOODLE
The adventure continues!
Awesome dad is awesome.
Hopefully the mother will get used to it
Mom finally warmed up to Mr Noodle.
Made by PetFoolery
waterfire is a cool pony because of that flame she has in her eyes. it’s like she caught someone’s house on fire and she’s watching it burn to the ground.
“you’re next motherfucker”
Her ears are also slightly pinned back, She looks ready for mischief. I really love this pose! It’s so much fun.
I laughed at this too much
obsessed with this image