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Itās interesting how the ārapists can be redeemedā crowd never says anything similar about radfems. I guess raping women is just a character flaw but being able to define what a woman is makes you an irredeemable monster. Ahhh feminism
if you arenāt sexually available to every minority group you advocate for then you are practically a fascist actually
scariest thing is when you're a kid in a huge family run by women and then you go over to a house that's deeply patriarchal & misogynistic. i remember when i was 8 years old and i got invited over to my friend's house for a big birthday party with her entire extended family. after the enormous lunch that served over 30 people, i got called into the kitchen to do literally hundreds of dishes, alongside all the other little girls and women. not only were the boys our age all excused from the meal to go play, but all the grown men went to the living room to watch sports together and drink. i couldn't believe it. i asked why some of the grownups were watching TV but the girls had to clean up and all the women just laughed and laughed at me.
as a teenager when i learned the word "sexist" and used it the older women balked at it and tried to convince me this arrangement was a good thing actually because women need space from men, and cleaning in the kitchen after parties is a sacred domain of safety. and i was like actually i think needing private safety from your own husbands, sons, and brothers sounds even worse. like do you understand you somehow made this even more troubling than it already was
like i think it's fine if a bunch of sister-in-laws/wives want time together without their husbands & brothers to talk together in camaraderie. i'm not judging that. obviously. but dare i ask why the women's meetup could only take place while doing manual labor for a nearby room full of men
i keep seeing discourse about femme lesbians online for some reason? there is no subversive hyper femininity for women period. there isnāt some spiritual magical difference between a lesbian performing femininity and a straight woman performing femininity. and itās misogynistic to think that the way that osa women perform femininity is lesser or beneath the way that lesbians do. and this is coming from a femme lesbian
I don't know what's going on with regards to femme lesbian discourse, but I do want to point out that there are many examples of subversive hyper femininity around the world
All of the following are extreme performances of femininity that have faced backlash and caused discourse around what it means to be an acceptable feminine woman in society by undermining what is typically expected or accepted from hyper feminine women
Examples of subversive hyper femininity:
1. Lolita fashion in Japan: This form of dress specifically developed to resist the stifling pressure of Japanese society to grow up into a mature, reasonable, and picturesque woman
2. The emergence of Goth culture in the UK: Goth culture has caused various moral panics as it was considered sexually deviant due to its emphasis on hyper femininity and androgyny when it first emerged
3. Bimbocore in the US: Bimbocore fashion is obnoxiously and ridiculously feminine while also loudly (sometimes using violent rhetoric) taking strong political stances against capitalism and misogyny and embracing female sexuality and violence
look me in my eyes and tell me that ābimbocoreā is subversive again
Scene Queen, the original creator of the term Bimbocore, is a lesbian metal artist. Her music heavily features themes of violence against rapists and misogynists, and the exploration of lesbian sexuality.
Her songs frequently take advantage of pink hyperfeminine imagery like bras, Barbie, and thongs to spark controversy. She has an entire song about how to finger a woman and the music video spotlights the sexuality of disabled and Brown lesbians. I personally consider her body of work both hyper feminine and subversive. At a glance, the words Bimbocore can seem anti intellectual, but the creator itself is creating layered and sardonic music that requires you to engage with ideas of what it means to be both hyperfeminine and tongue in cheek advocate for violence against men
Addressing your tags as well, I am, believe it or not, a lesbian community organizer who dresses alternatively as well. Me providing examples countering your claim is not mansplaining femininity and subversive culture. It was literally just examples that came to my mind that are both hyperfeminine and counterculture
To say Lolita and Gothic fashion are not subversive is ahistorical. If anyone other than OP wants sources on the initial moral panics they caused as well as the ways in which they protested established social norms, I can dig some up since I do like doing archival work. On the other hand, a discussion on if Lolita and Gothic fashion are hyper feminine or feminine is a conversation that I'd be interested to hear differing takes on, since they are both extremely feminine from my perspective
I feel like you are not engaging in this discussion in good faith, so to anyone else who wants to discuss subversive feminine subcultures, this is what I have to offer, and I'm always happy to hear more about them or hear other beliefs regarding what it means to be hyperfeminine and/or subversive. I can also dig up sources and studies on all my claims for anyone interested in reading more, but I won't be doing that work for someone who doesn't actually care to listen and respond to me respectfully
I'll make a separate post about these as well later tn so as not to continue having this discussion in your notifications
i am very familiar with the history involved in alternative subcultures and iām familiar with scene queen and her music. i feel like you might be missing the point of my post. something can be simultaneously subversive and feminine (separate) but there is no subversive femininity for women i.e. there is no performance of femininity that exists to undermine the patriarchy rather than serve it, even if itās dressed up with feminist messaging.
a girl dressed in goth fashion may wear a corset that shapes her body and restricts her movement. she may wear heavy makeup, where the entire industry exists for men to profit off of womenās insecurities. she may wear large uncomfortable heels that restrict her movement and make it more difficult just to get around in. itās still femininity. itās still restricting for women. itās still a result of the patriarchy. it still contributes to a much larger issue. it doesnāt make her special for doing it in a different way.
it doesnāt make her a horrible person for participating in that; iāll even admit that as someone very into fashion, i wear tight, restrictive clothing and i will put on flashy makeup sometimes. it just means that not everything we do as women is feminist, and itās important to realize that our actions donāt exist in a vacuum and intent isnāt everything. what i was initially saying is that there is no difference in the way straight women perform femininity compared to the way lesbian women perform femininity, because there is no truly feminist way to be feminine under the patriarchy. you may do greater things for feminism while simultaneously happening to be feminine, but being feminine in and of itself is not subversive, no.
people annoy me to no enddddd š no, your religion is not compatible with feminism. no, pornography is not empowering. no, your eyeliner is not sharp enough to āslay the patriarchyā. no, your lazy husband is not funny. no, you are not entitled to women dating you. no, itās not okay to cheat on your girlfriend and expect people to feel sorry for you. no, itās not her fault that you refuse to listen. no, itās not all on his mom for his behavior. no, i donāt believe in ārehabilitatingā rapists.
why do people keep trying to rewrite what feminism is actually for? itās for female liberation, youāre not making any progress by decorating your cage.
If males don't want to be seen as rapists then they need to stop being rapists. Idk why y'all get mad at women for being wary of males instead of the men who are doing the raping and giving males that reputation.
"the sex that's responsible for 99% of rapes is associated with rape, if you don't belong to the rapist sex that's a privilege!!" ok maybe don't rape
Females do have the ā90% of rape victimsā body and the ā~20% chance of being raped during their lifetimeā body. Idk, I think thatās a little worse than some social stigma
"ok maybe don't rape"
Ok I haven't raped anyone in my entire life so far. And spent the past 4 or so years abstaining from p0rn. What's next?
Tell other men to stop watching porn
Tell other men to stop defending rapists
Tell other men to stop raping in all its forms
Tell OP to stop whining about being asked to check his privilege
Stop whining about being asked to check your privilege
6. why do you think you deserve a cookie for not harming another human being in the name of your sexual pleasure?
How the fuck can you justify ābottom surgeryā for an 8 year oldā¦Iām so sad for that kid. But you already ebegged to do this to your child in the first place it looks like
This sounds absolutely fake, like a huge grift. I canāt believe any doctor would do ābottom surgeryā on anyone pre-puberty; they rarely do it to fully developed women. These two are just lying for money, Iād bet my dinner on it.
do you think the catholic church effectively utilized wokeness by funneling money into the colonization and rape of the americas after issuing the doctrine of discovery which effectively legalized the subjugation of indigenous peoples?
You see this is because even the most progressive people in the most progressive spaces genuinely still do not view women as people and therefore do not view misogyny as that big of a deal.
Sweet Jesus. These people are so fucking annoying. Imagine the balls to complain that a coworker who WASN'T EVEN TALKING TO YOU triggered you by mentioning a movie marathon she's going to have with her kids. If you're that sensitive to mention of anything, maybe employment isn't for you š¤·.
Btw, immigrants have to work beside Trump supporters and anti immigrant coworkers. Gay people have to work beside homophobic coworkers. Immunocompromised people had/have to work with anti vaxxers. Women have to work with misogynists. But these men (and women but I mostly see men complaining) are claiming that it's impossible for them to work in an environment where Harry Potter MAY be mentioned??
Atheists have to work with religious people people, and if outed, would be fired. But sure, itās only trans people that have it hard, no one else.
Breeching was a rite of passage to impress upon boys that they were superior to girls even earlier than we do today but sure, it was sooooooo gender. All those 2 year old boys were smashing gender binaries because their Dads started dressing them in pants so they could move while girls were left to rot in babyhood smocks!!!!!!! It doesn't bear mentioning that this happened when they proved they were toilet trained to the sound of celebrations, public showings, and parties, sectioning girls off for humiliation and symbolic stunting. It doesn't behoove them to mention that this marked when fathers suddenly started participating in child-rearing while, again, the girls were left with mom only, to never move freely, be educated, own money, or have a career!!!!
"Gender fluid" is when toddlers are dressed in the same clothes regardless of sex for practicality, and boys are switched to pants to visually distinguish them from girls at the earliest convenient opportunity.
"Gender is clothes" is hardly new, but "gender is the clothes your parents put you in" isn't even consistent with other parts of genderism.
They always use the word āontologicallyā as pure projection. Radfems donāt need to have a pseudo-spiritual symbolic view of the penis - we simply look at the material reality of the harm itās caused. But they canāt conceptualise sex outside of gender, so anything associated with the material reality of sex has to āmeanā something deeper. They canāt process sex outside of what it āmeansā, so when they see us acknowledge the realities of sex, they assume that weāre using the same mental processing as them. For them, āfeminismā must require rejection of sex because acknowledgment of sex necessitates acknowledging sex stereotypes as part of sex.
And hereās the thing: the penis is āThe Rape Organā. Not āontologicallyā - because there are many penises that havenāt raped, and rape is committed in other ways. But there is no other part of the body that can forcibly penetrate, ejaculate, urinate, spread stis and forcibly impregnate all in one. Moreover, there is no bodily organ that generates such a clear motivation to rape. Yes, people gain pleasure from other types of rape, but forcible impregnation of women by menās penises is what the patriarchy is literally built upon. Men happily admit their penis is a rape organ when thereās no societal stigma against it. Flashers wouldnāt exist if men didnāt know that their penis is an organ of sexual terror.
Men rape and forcibly impregnate women, using them as breeding stock. That is, to put it bluntly, what ārule of the fatherā means in practical terms. The penis does not need to be a rape organ, but thatās how itās viewed and weirded in society. And sure as shit itās not feministsā fault for pointing that out. The moment men stop raping with their penises, especially stop raping women, weāll stop associating their penises with rape.
I had a man get defensive and irritated with me because I called him an asshole. And I had to tell him that itās not some judgment upon his very soul - rather, itās a blunt assessment of his current behaviour: the moment he stops behaving like an asshole is the moment I will stop calling him one. It really is as simple as that. Time and time again, women point out basic reality - sometimes making an active judgment, and sometimes simply recognising reality for what it is - and men take that as an affront upon their mortal souls, as some sort of unilateral and unchanging damnation of their very essence. Itās easier that way, because then they never have to feel accountable for their actions: they get to decide that their behaviour is good and righteous because theyāve decided that they are good and righteous. Trans-identified men, similarly, redefine āwomanā so that they get to decide that their bodies and behaviour are āfemaleā because they are female. Itās the same story every time: men are incentivised to process reality through isolated categorisation, and when women point out the basics of reality they, like a religious person who believe atheists ādeny godā, have to believe that we are also making an isolated categorisation - and because weāre women, our categorisation must be wrong; weāre just not as deep as them, we donāt get it. So the simplicity of our recognition of basic reality is redefined as shallowness and vapidity - just as how religious people view our life on Earth as less ārealā than the spiritual world. And of course, many religions view women as inherently less spiritual than men.
All of this psychological gymnastics is to justify the patriarchy, which is, at its core, a justification of rape. Patriarchy is built from the ground up on rape, specifically men raping women with their penises. All these supposed āfeministsā want to fight the patriarchy without acknowledging that basic fact - a fact that is both not difficult to notice and also incredibly difficult to notice as rape is built into the fabric of society.
The trans-identified man with even the best intentions has had his fundamental sense of self constructed within this system: he is a member of the oppressor class, and said oppressor class maintains power through rape with the penis. It benefits him to obfuscate this relationship, utilising those same societal forces that disguise rape as normal to pretend the rape isnāt there.
I hate the entire concept of rehabilitating a rapist. Rapists aren't ill. Raping is not a symptom. It is a misogynistic hate crime. Stop letting violent men pathologize themselves out of consequences. They're not the ones suffering from what they've done.
listen to sexworkers but only the ones filming anonymously from the comfort of their bedrooms and never the ones who are trafficked or groomed and are forced to do scenes that they donāt want to with people they donāt want to at the risk of their livelihood or even life because those stories bum me outttt and therefore donāt count despite making up the majority of cases.
People I've seen referred to as sex workers:
Twitter artists who draw porn
Women who take pictures of themselves in their own room
Men who "assist" women (cameramen and disguised accounts for sex chats with johns on the behalf of those women)
Men who "manage" models and prostitutes (pimps)
Men who "transport" models and prostitutes (traffickers)
It's very convenient, to those who refuse to masturbate without pictures and videos of potential rape victims, that we listen to the people above far more than impoverished women who are begging for a way out.
