S.S. Wangxian

Wangxian and Nielan live here rent-free

[incorrectuntamedmodaozushiquotes]

[At the Burial Mounds] Wei Wuxian: Every time Lan Zhan is around, my heart rate quickens, my breathing slows down and I turn really red. Wei Wuxian: I think I’m allergic to him. Wen Qing, internally: Oh my god, I don’t get paid enough for this.

[my-dailydreams]

[madtomedgar]

I like how Lan Xichen asking Lan Wangji about Wei Wuxian having clearly come back wrong parallels Lan Wangji going to Lan Xichen about Jin Guangyao. They say the same thing I response: he wouldn't do that. But when it's Wei Wuxian commanding ghosts to torture people to death, Lan Xichen is concerned and disturbed but his goal is to understand what's going on here so they can figure out what to do, and he makes it very clear that he's not trying to judge whether his brother's friend is good or evil. But Lan Wangji reacts like that's what he thinks will happen anyway. Because that's what he would do. And that's what he does later when it's Jin Guangyao. He did these things, he's evil, drop him. And no wonder Lan Xichen is a little hurt and a little mad at his brother. Because when their positions were reversed, and Lan Wangji asked for some grace and some help, he gave it, of course he did. It's not unreasonable to want the same extended to him, or to hope that, having been here, Lan Wangji will at least be sympathetic, if not forbearing.

But what Lan Wangji came out of this with was "Wei Ying is different," because Lan Wangji doesn't intellectualize everything to hell and back. So instead of we should try to understand people's motivations and not treat them as wholly good or wholly evil, it's All Of Those Things Are Good Actually, because Wei Wuxian has been put in the category of "good."

[shitpostingkats]

Bro the rules of gay chicken aren't even that complicated how are you losing this badly

[monabee-draws]

Thinking about MDZS politics again and how precarious everyone's positions post-war are so fascinating.

1. The Wens ransack the Cloud Recesses and this is particularly devastating for that sect because they are not an economic centre of their own, but rely on drawing in nighthunting jobs and students to 'pay the bills'. Without their centuries of collected knowledge and natural cultivation-enhancing spaces, they don't have a practical method of day-to-day sect survival available. Caiyi town, their lifeline (waterways are EVERYTHING in economics it does not matter that they can fly) is crippled before the story even starts. While the Lans aren't outright killed as the Jiang are, the Wens clearly intended to starve them out.

2. This strategy WOULD NOT work in Yunmeng, which is not geographically or economically isolated, and in which the cultivation clan is shown to participate in agriculture and acts as a trade interface. Because of its position, it also makes an excellent hub for the further control of surrounding regions (again, WATERWAYS.) So of course it has to be physically 'taken over', necessitating the extermination of the entire clan + anyone else unlucky enough to have been at Lotus Pier that day. With YMJ under their control, none of the minor sects can do much, so they're 'left alone' (have their weapons stolen but not exterminated). The Wens now control the region's trade. Even cultivators need to eat, to repair clothing and armor, to get access to medicine. This is also why Wen Qing running a supervisory office *is not morally neutral* even if she isn't actively fighting non-Wens. Her presence and oversight are part of ensuring an economic chokehold on a region that directly supplies and bolsters the Wens efforts elsewhere.

3. The fact that the Jiang sect was even 'allowed' to rebuild after the war instead of being forcefully taken over/administrated by another clan (the Jin, it would have been the Jin. They had marriage ties to justify it socially and legally, and the manpower from their late entry into the war to enforce it) reads to me as a combination of a couple interesting factors:

3.1 The fear of Wei Wuxian/demonic cultivation - which further contextualises WWX's exit as him not just abandoning JC as an individual but jeopardizing his clan as well. Which I think is obvious but people do forget at times.

3.2 The degree to which the Jin are committed to their benevolent self-image and how much political sway that lends them.

3.3 The continued capitulation and overtures from the Jiang sect towards their nearby allies and the great sects who stand to benefit from having such an economically-rich region well-managed without having to sacrifice their own manpower, but still be something they greatly benefit from. This is JYL's marriage, the grace of having one of YZY's greatest friends as the mother-in-law; unfavourable trade deals, giving up salvaged artifacts and stretching their people thin attempting to both regain wealth and trust from citizenry through nighthunting.

3.4 Nie Mingjue (and SL Yao) - really the only sect leaders who consider honor foremost in their political decisions, and therefore the most likely to support the continuation of YMJ ideologically, as the rightful recapturing of stolen land/act of rightful revenge. This remains contingent on YMJ's continued adherence *to that regime of revenge*.

4. The rebuilding of Cloud Recesses is similarly rife with complicated politics, chief of which is Lan Xichen's need to please Jin Guangyao, through which the Jin offer financial aid to help physically rebuild infrastructure. (Not that they aren't genuine friends, but their political relationship is very much part of things). Recall also that, in order to draw in students, Gusu Lan has to present themselves as righteous as per the societal definition of righteousness, internal moral reasoning aside.

5. The Wens' destructive/disruptive path through cultivator society was so widespread and thorough and well-planned, that it's little wonder literally no one has any goodwill towards people surnamed Wen in the post-war. Consider this: there were servants/merchants/visiting families/fishermen/ordinary folk who were killed or had their livelihoods ruined by the Wens during their regional takeovers. Does the blood of only the cultivator Wens make up for these lives too? Were they not themselves innocents who just so happened to be around Yunmeng/Caiyi Town/the Cloud Recesses/delivering food to the Clan hubs/weaving cloth to sell to the cultivators/picking their herbs/excitedly showing their children the cultivators flying by? Just think about this, and come to your own conclusions, on the difficulty of assigning blame and innocence.

6. What the cultivation world did in turning around and killing the Wen remnants was inevitable. The participation in that extermination of characters we otherwise like/support was also inevitable within the confines of the political and social structures they inhabit. Just as Wen Qing's supervisory role was, and Wen Ning's leadership of his Wen squad was. This is part of the tragedy of all of it. MDZS is not a story about wandering cultivators in the Jianghu who are neither beholden to the rule of politics nor have any collateral supports endangered by their action/inaction. Xiao Xingchen and Song Lan come at the problem with the hope that it is nepotism that corrupts this system, but This Is How Political Systems Function. So long as the cultivation sects exist as sects with complex economic ties to one another and regular regional+ economics, all of which are entrenched in a society with particular values (all of which reiterate the preservation of the sect/clan and these structures and relationships) this will be the reaction to these kinds of events.

[rejectedfables]

Adding a 3.5, which might actually be more like a 3.2B, which is that the Jin clan likely STILL would have taken over, even despite all those reasons not to, if "taking over another sect" wasn't SO obviously Wen behavior at that moment. Jin Guangshan, iirc (I'm specifically remembering a scene from the donghua, and dont remember if its overtly in the book or the Untamed), got scolded on screen for saying shit that sounded too close to Wen thinking, and visibly had to dial it back. Taking power away from another sect directly after the war against the Takes-Power-Away-From-Other-Sects sect DOES seem like an especially poorly timed power grab.

Much safer to wait a couple years and start picking off smaller sects nobody will miss :)

[mxtxnet]

Happy Hanguang-June

[pharahsgf]

i love the way wei wuxian and jin guangyao have no relationship at all. like you've got your hero and you've got your villain and they're highly complementary characters who wind up being instrumental in each other's downfalls, and also they met like, what, four times? with zero one on one conversations? jin guangyao barely even bothers to manipulate wei wuxian during the temple showdown and wei wuxian watches jin guangyao die with all the emotion of someone who just noticed a dent in their car and is wondering how it got there

[hyperfixatedonmdzs]

Don't leave that in the tags lol

[almondandaldebaran]

#they are foils they are opposed they are both instrumental to absolutely tearing the others life#but they did not ever have a crumb of a relationship whether positive or negative (tags from @littlegreenmp3)

they really said i got no beef with you to each other while making mince meat out of each other's life

[mikkeneko]

This is really never more apparent than when a fanfic author is writing a canon AU where the situation doesn't quite line up to the original events, and the author is presented with the problem of trying to make Wei Wuxian care enough to foil whatever Jin Guangyao's scheme is

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[miyuliart]

Just a little WangXian kiss sequence~

[miyuliart]

WangXian 💕

[miyuliart]

I've started reading The Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation.

[yamielsun]

Canon.

[xiaozhanhub]

Wei Wuxian | The Untamed

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[roxylalonde]

[rovadeve]

Honestly it’s a bit confusing that we barely see anything of the female Lan cultivators. What we know is that they are there and they live in the Cloud Recesses, on their own grounds away from the men. Yet, most former sect leaders have been men. Do they also lead the female Lan sect members? Or do the female Lan sect members have their own leader, who’s a sort of second-in-command? Is this usually just Lan-furen, but since Lan-furen was in seclusion they have a different leader or no leader at all? Could there be a female sect leader, with a male second-in-command? And the library pavilion is clearly in the part of Cloud Recesses where the men live. Do the women have the exact same library, with a different copy of each text? Is it considered gender neutral ground (I think canon disputes this)? Is there a second wall of rules on the womens’ side of the Lan sect? Are there differences in rules and differences in cultivation practice? Do children under a certain age all live on the womens’ side, or are boys brought to the male side as soon as they don’t need milk anymore? Do married couples life together? Are there houses in a sort of neutral area for married couples? If one parent dies, does a kid live with the other parent regardless of their gender? Are kids raised kind of communaly anyway? Do the female Lan disciples also take students the way Lan Qiren does? The fact that Jiang Yanli doesn’t come with her brothers in MDZS canon kind of disputes this, unless her parents don’t think her cultivation is high enough. They dó have their own cold springs, Wei Wuxian confirms this when he goes to sneak up on Lan Wangji. Does this imply that they have everything the men have, plus maybe a few extra cultivation practices and facilities which are necessary for women, like a pavilion for a midwife? MXTX please I need answers

[potionartist]

I had to rush to show you all from where the new wedding chibis come.

Feel free to point out which collab is this one