#anti-masculinity

[spr0utling]

"Masculinity is always rewarded in society!!" In the 1900s, women could get lobotomized for anything that was deemed as "masculine behaviour", you dared to even wear pants? lobotomy. In many of these cases doctors recognized that lobotomies would result in either the woman dying or becoming a vegetable, enough that they would be refered to as "a veritable household pet". Lobotomies were done for multiple reasons, but one of them was for being masculine.

If by "rewarded" you mean "getting your entire functions reduced to nothing because you were forced to recieve a nail through your eye to destroy your frontal lobe and most likely dying in the process" then yes, masculinity is "rewarded"

[ugly-anarchist]

People on this site cannot or intentionally refuse to distinguish between systemic oppression and lateral mistreatment and it's a massive problem.

Me talking about how other queer people target me for having masculine traits isn't me saying that cisallohet perisex men are oppressed for being men and feminism sucks and lesbians are evil.

Me pointing out how late diagnosed autistic people treat me like an other for getting a diagnosis early isn't me saying late diagnosed people are privileged and have power over me.

Me saying that aroaces have mistreated me and pushed me out of aspec spaces as an alloaro isn't me saying that aroaces are my oppressors and they don't belong in aro spaces.

"Can the people who are in the same community as me but have different experiences please stop treating me like shit" isn't me saying that I'm the most oppressed person on the planet and no one but me suffers. I'm just asking you to stop treating me like shit. That shouldn't be a controversial statement.

Not everything is about privilege and oppression, sometimes people are just dicks and maybe it's you.

[callahan----callahan-again]

something ive been thinking about lately is how i think a lot of young men are turned off by leftism because it doesnt promise a better world for them too. men often feel like a bit of an afterthought in leftist ideology. it feels like "women will be treated as equal human beings, people of color wont be arrested on the spot for not being white, genderqueer people will be able to present and exist however they want, trans people will have easy and consistent access to gender affirming care, queer people will be able to get married and have sex with whoever they want, and... men will stay the same!" NO!!!! men will be able to cry!!! men will be able to talk about their feelings!!! men will be able to wear skirts and makeup and like pink and be submissive without being seen as lesser!!! men will be able to do stereotypically masculine things without being seen as weird or sexist or something!!! men will be able to ask for help!!! men wont be excluded from spaces for being "an oppressor class"!!! men wont have their masculinity used against them, especially in abusive relationships!!! men will be able to talk about their abuse and mental health!!! men will be able to like matcha and crochet and clairo without being seen as manipulative!!! men will be able to be bicurious and explore their sexuality!!! men will be able to be ace and not seen as pussies and aro and not seen as abusers/sex pests!!! your leftism needs to be just as inclusive for men as it is for everyone else. equality and freedom in the sense of leftism is not something men are automatically privy to due to benefiting from the patriarchy under specific circumstances.

[smorksthings]

A thing I think we need to address is the fact that misogyny isn't the end all be all of sexism. Yes, it influences a lot of sex based discrimination or oppression, but it's not the only form of sexism. The "everything is just misogyny disguised" mentality isn't helpful at all, not when trying to describe the oppression of other groups that aren't women or directly related to femininity. Yes, trans men have faced and can continue to face misogyny, but that's not the only thing, and it's the same for so many men, may they be queer or a person of colour, or disabled. The things they face isn't just veiled misogyny.

[rq1nzorr]

have you considered how removing race from "men" as a demographic simply makes you revert back to centering whiteness. when whiteness is the baseline removing other traits from "men" means you are talking about that baseline, abstract concept. "i hate men" does not refer to "men". you cannot say you are referring to "men, not men of colour!" you are not doing that. you are not talking about "men", you are talking about white men. you are using "men" to refer to white men. we've been saying this about transhood so let's talk about how it impacts bipoc too

[dumbdogdiscourse]

Tumblr is so exhausting because I'll log on and see posts from a woman whose demographic is literally not allowed into womens' bathrooms because laws were passed on the basis of "If somebody with a penis is allowed into a 'Women's Space' he will rape literally all of them",

and then that woman will be posting about how "Androphobia isnt real"

Like yeah. The fear of men, people perceived as men, and penises can be both transmisogyny (as they are exacerbated when you are trying to step away from the role of "man") and misandry/anti-masculinity. This happens to trans men & masc non-binary people too. Trans men (especially hypermasculine, black, and/or passing) are seen as dangerous, predatory intruders on women's spaces. Even if those "women's spaces" aren't actually women-exclusive (e.g. gynecologists, sexual assault support groups, military spouses clubs, parenting classes/support groups, etc).

(Note: I stay away from the term "androphobia" due to it being a term for a medically-recognized phobia. Same with gynephobia)

[transgenderperyton]

i'd love to come onto this platform and talk about my complicated relationship with femininity, the performance i've been forced into as an autistic trans man, and how that's made me uncomfortable in most queer spaces because i do not want to be seen in any feminine aspect but from what i've seen y'all are not ready for that conversation

[fishtank-thinktank]

Here’s the thing even when you accept the logic and premises of people who are against the idea of anti-masculinity(Black misandry, transandrosexism, etc) it still ends up being ideologically incomprehensible and hateful.

So like to give you an example

If transandrosexism isn’t real, that the masculinity aspect of a transmasculine identity does not have anything to do with its oppression. That it is just regular transphobia that people have misidentified…

Wouldn’t then jokes like “everybody get more transandrophobic* now”… be jokes about people should get more transphobic???

This is probably one of the most blatant examples, there are a couple other ones that I could point out…. and I get what people are saying there is a joke… but even if transandrosexism isn’t real the logical conclusion of that would be it’s a joke telling people to get more transphobic. Which seems at the very least ideologically inconsistent with people who claimed to be for transfeminism and anti-transphobia? I think at least for some people the answer to this is just they don’t care, the same way that many conservatives don’t care about them being factually wrong or logically incoherent. But whatever I guess.

* I personally prefer the word transandrosexism, and thus it is why it is in use at the beginning of this post. but I do acknowledge that most people do not use that word and use the word transandrophobia, and thus I set this up like this.