strong claim: you can’t be an infj and enneagram 4!
i think all infjs who identify as 4s must be 3s. if they are actually infjs that is. cause we know how 16personalities result is pretty much always infj. if they are infps and mistyped as infjs which is very probable, then sure 4 would make sense of course.
now why 4 and infj so incompatible? because 4 is the most individualistic amongst all enneagram archetypes but infjs are second slot fe users and fe is the opposite of “individualism”. even though this is as simple as that, i will elaborate. fe is all about harmony and adaptation as opposed to being different.
now, both 4 and 3 is about personal development. yet 3 is much more practical about it. 3s follow “established standarts” that people deem “worthy”. this is straight up fe (and te). 3 is objective. 4 is subjective.
i think a 3 would read classics and stuff while a 4 would read really obscure stuff not many people know. a 4 would be always more niche and a 3 would be always more general.
from https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-4 :
They are emotionally honest, creative, and personal, but can also be moody and self-conscious. (infjs are much more diplomatic and harmonious and understanding. they are not all that “personal”, especially at the beginning. why? because they are following established trends of dialogue and interaction. this makes them classy. infjs are the classiest of all mbti types. easily! and that is awesome. but not super authentic like infps and isfps. infjs and 3s rarely called wierd. 4s and infps though, all the times. why? because 4s do not follow established trends. they beat to their own drum. which sometimes can be incredibly inspiring but usually will be perceived as wierd.)
Withholding themselves from others due to feeling vulnerable and defective, they can also feel disdainful and exempt from ordinary ways of living. (this sentence is for somebody with weak or no fe! not second slot fe. this sentence is enough to clearly eliminate 4 for infjs.)
They typically have problems with melancholy, self-indulgence, and self-pity. At their Best: inspired and highly creative, they are able to renew themselves and transform their experiences. (again, the first sentence is for somebody with weak fe. second sentence is though how you can be still awesome with high ti or fi. notice how they renew “themselves” and transform “their own” experiences.)
Basic Fear: That they have no identity or personal significance. Basic Desire: To find themselves and their significance. (more high ti and fi, no fe whatsoever)
Key Motivations: Want to express themselves and their individuality, to create and surround themselves with beauty, to maintain certain moods and feelings, to withdraw to protect their self-image, to take care of emotional needs before attending to anything else.... (fi, fi, fi)
We have named this type The Individualist because Fours maintain their identity by seeing themselves as fundamentally different from others!
Fours feel that they are unlike other human beings, and consequently, that no one can understand them or love them adequately.
obviously, this can’t be a type with extraverted feeling in the first or second slot. read the rest in the link i provided above. because i feel like every sentence is an anti-fe statement.
finishing this with a tori amos video would be cool. is she an infp or an infj? what do you think: