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This is a Star Trek/Wars/Whatever side blog but, like, not a very good one.

[iamafule]

Felt this in my bones

[catboymuqing-moving]

tng character: excuse me captain.. permission to speak freely sir 😐

me: are they going to.. disagree 😮..

ds9 character without warning: *says the most violent or fruity thing i’ve ever heard to their boss*

[viriven-deactivated20210615]

voy character: permission to speak freely?

janeway: denied

[moncalas]

you're owen lars. your father has fallen in love with a woman and she's enslaved. you and your father aren't rich, but eventually you manage to free her. this one woman. one woman on a planet full of injustices.

you're owen lars. the woman you call mom had another child once. it doesn't make her love you less, but she talks about him in a way that makes it clear that she loved him, too. he's off to be a jedi now and she's very proud.

you're owen lars. your mother's been kidnapped and you have to assume the worst. a man and a woman step into your home and the man announces himself to be that kid who went off to become a jedi. he knows you less than you know him and before anything else can happen, he takes off to bring back his mother, a feat you think is impossible.

you're owen lars. anakin skywalker brings your mom's corpse to your doorstep. her funeral is interrupted by a message of utmost galactic importance.

you're owen lars. your brother is dead. you never saw him again after that first time. there is another jedi on your doorstep, with a baby in his arm and you know what it means and you can't bring yourself to face him as he hands your nephew off to your wife.

you're owen lars. obi-wan ben kenobi is a pain in the ass. he was more your brother's brother than you ever were and he doesn't understand your particular kind of grief, is drowning in his own. you don't even know the full story and kenobi will never tell you all of it. but you have a child to care for so you tell him off and get back to work.

you're owen lars. you didn't know your brother, but you know your nephew and your nephew wants out of this place as soon as possible. you know he won't be safe out there but in the end you're helpless to stop him. and you know the stories, you remember the one time you met him, the days your mother died. and you do this for her and you do this for your father and you do this for your brother and you do this for your nephew.

you're owen lars. your last act is to protect your brother's child. your child.

[elli-incarnate]

Okay, hear me out.

One of the quiet background realities of the Star Wars galaxy is that it is spectacularly bad at labor. Not just “late-stage capitalism” bad, but structurally, culturally, and institutionally allergic to the idea that workers should have enforceable protections. You’ve got child soldiers, child labor, debt slavery, corporate fiefdoms, and a Republic that can field a galaxy-spanning bureaucracy but somehow never gets around to standardizing “maybe don’t enslave people.” The Empire of course doesn’t fix this; it industrializes it.

So in that environment, formal labor law is either nonexistent, unenforced, or actively hostile. Which means if you’re operating in a sector where the state either can’t or won’t protect you, you get a classic historical pattern: workers build their own rules.

Enter the gray economies.

Groups like the Smugglers' Alliance (Legends) and the Bounty Hunters' Guild (new canon) look, at first glance, like professional associations for criminals. But if you squint at them through a labor history lens, they start to look a lot like early, proto-union structures — especially the kinds you see in maritime or extralegal industries on Earth.

Think pirate codes (yes actual ones, Pirates of the Caribbean didn't make that up). Think matelotage agreements. Think dockworker brotherhoods that predate formal unions.

Because what do these groups actually do?

They:

set norms for compensation and contracts

regulate competition to prevent destructive undercutting

provide a framework for dispute resolution

establish reputational systems (“you don’t honor contracts, you don’t get work”)

That’s industry self-governance in the absence of law.

Take bounty hunting. Without something like the Bounty Hunters' Guild, the field collapses into chaos: clients don’t pay; hunters underbid each other into oblivion; jobs get duplicated, interfered with, or sabotaged. And nobody trusts anybody!

The Guild steps in and says: here are the rules of engagement. Here’s how claims work. Here’s how you get paid. Here’s what happens if you break contract.

That’s basically a union crossed with a licensing board and a regulatory agency, just without any moral pretense.

Same with the Smugglers' Alliance. Smuggling is inherently risky, decentralized, and dependent on trust networks. If everyone is constantly betraying everyone else, the whole system stops functioning. So instead, you hash out agreed-upon routes and territories, informal protections against betrayal, mechanisms for information sharing, and consequences for breaking the code

Again: not altruism. Stability.

And the reason this emerges specifically in gray/illegal sectors is because they have to. The Core Worlds might pretend they have laws, but those laws don’t meaningfully protect the people actually doing dangerous, itinerant, high-risk work. So the margins of the galaxy — where enforcement is weakest and risk is highest — become the places where labor organization evolves first.

Which is very historically grounded.

On Earth, some of the earliest labor protections didn’t come from governments; they came from workers in dangerous, decentralized industries—sailors, pirates, miners—who literally wrote their own rules because no one else was going to save them.

Pirate codes, for example, often included:

compensation for injury

shared distribution of loot

limits on captain authority

Which is … shockingly progressive compared to a lot of contemporary working conditions (cough Amazon cough).

So in the galaxy far, far away, you end up with this ironic inversion:

The “legitimate” systems — Republic, Empire, megacorporations — are exploitative, inconsistent, or indifferent.

The “illegitimate” systems — smugglers, bounty hunters — are the ones building functional labor frameworks, because they need to survive.

And that feeds back into why the galaxy feels so unstable overall. There’s no universal baseline of rights. Everything is hyper-local, network-dependent, and contingent on whether you’re inside a system that has rules you can rely on.

If you’re a clone trooper? You are literally property.

If you’re a factory worker on a corporate world? Your protections are whatever your employer feels like offering.

But if you’re a smuggler or a bounty hunter?

You might actually have clearer expectations about your pay, your risks, and your recourse — because your “union” is the only thing standing between you and total chaos.

So yeah: the Smugglers’ Alliance and the Bounty Hunters’ Guild aren’t just flavor. They’re a glimpse of what labor organization looks like in a galaxy where the state has fundamentally failed to provide it.

Which is both deeply funny and a little too real.

[azzandra]

#you're telling me han solo is a union man? (via @professorsparklepants)

Han Solo look SO MUCH like a union man.

[80scifi]

if anyone ever asks why return of the jedi is my favourite star wars film i’ll just send them this gif

[doctorbutler]

[bluebandedagate-reblogs]

[luimnigh]

I think the funnier conclusion is that Luke did mean to physically kick the guy, missed, and then used the force to cover his fuckup.

[melonramune]

2026-02-05

[earhartsease]

just woke from a ridiculous nanodream in which someone was trying to tell us that the bajorans in star trek were named in honour of a script writer hearing someone wildly mispronounce björk

[copperbadge]

Headcanon that Luke and Obi Wan got the money to pay Han Solo by selling the moisture farm at bargain-basement prices in Anchorhead without telling anyone that it was totally torched, and by the time anyone find out they were well off planet. Luke now has a reputation as one of Tattooine’s most famous con men despite the fact that it was Obi Wan who ran the con.

[yulesend]

#I don’t know if you meant it this way but I totally interpreted this as them selling the farm multiple times to different people#luke: *wrestling over selling the wreck of the farm to someone he knows is a complete scumbag*#obi-wan: hello are you interested in buying a farm#complete scumbucket: *interested noises*#luke:  wait didn’t we already-? *gets zapped by R2* ow!#luke: oh#luke: ohhhh#luke: >:)

[nevertheless-moving]

i haven’t cared about star wars ‘canon’ since i was 3 years old- I LOVE the idea that the reason Luke had to dramatically speeder in and out of Jabba’s without hitting up any of his local connections is he is like, wanted by a bunch of scum in Mos Eisley. Can you- can you imagine Vader or whoever doing a recon in town on ‘the last son of the Jedi who blew up the death star.’ His close friends and family have all a) died b) moved off planet or c) both. 

So the only reputation he has is ‘that bastard con artist who banked 19 years of aw-shucks-wormie-ness and used it to outrageously fleece everyone who’s almost anybody.’ Vader reading the report like…damn you Kenobi did you get HONDO to raise my son??

Jabba’s reaction to Luke’s message is INFINITELY funnier if we consider the idea that ‘Skywalker’ amongst the wretched local villainy (who mostly ignore imperial and rebel propaganda) is actually synonymous with TWO things - that brat who totally messed up the podrace bookies 25 years ago, and the infamous Anchorhead Con. Jabba gets this message about ‘Jedi’ and is like LOL i think the other Skywalker tried to pull some hotshit with that too before wimping out.

Everyone openly laughs like sure you’re a Jedi and I’ve got a bargain vaporator farm I want to sell you. 

AND THEN HE WRECKS THE JOINT WITH A DEBT-RIDDEN HALF-BLIND SMUGGLER A RANDOM SLAVE GIRL ONE GUARD AND TWO BEAT UP DROIDS WHAAAT

[kyraneko]

I’m imagining some random palace guard telling Vader this, afterwards.

“So this fucking—SKYWALKER, dude, have you ever heard the name Skywalker? You know what it means? A FUCKING ASSHOLE, that’s what it means. Like. The first one was bad enough, this little shit named Anakin who was fuckin’ NINE YEARS OLD and he just WON THE FUCKING BOONTA EVE PODRACE and set SIXTEEN bookies out of business and if I ever meet him I’m gonna set him on fire for it—

“And then this new one, Luke? Fuckin’ nobody, raised by his aunt and uncle out in the Wastes, little aw-shucks hick farm kid, the kind you could give him a five-credit piece and a ten-credit piece and he keeps taking the fiver because it’s BIGGER, that kind of simple, and then he comes into Mos Eisley one afternoon and sells his aunt and uncle’s moisture farm, right, I’ve been out there a few times, several of us have, and it’s a nice place as far as moisture farms go, mildly profitable, and the kid is fucking happy to get like two-thirds its value, so he sells the farm, right? TO NINETEEN DIFFERENT PEOPLE! Do you have any idea how much Jabba’s finance people had to do to get that sorted out? Nineteen fucking mortgages on ONE fucking property, puts every real estate con Jabba the Hutt’s entire CLAN ever pulled and we were on the WRONG SIDE OF IT! We had every pirate and smuggler from here to Corellia laughing at us! And THEN! And THEN—!

“So he pops up via hologram message acting like a DIPLOMAT from the REPUBLIC, claiming a title and rank from an extinct, defunct, ILLEGAL order and wanting to bargain with Jabba—are you fucking kidding me, BARGAIN WITH JABBA for a smuggler who’s up to his ass in debt when he’s responsible for that farm scheme, acting like he doesn’t even fucking REMEMBER it and expects that Jabba’s forgotten it too. Like. Absolute fucking idiot, and anticipating that Jabba’s just as stupid. And he offers a pair of droids as a gift. Like, built-in-the-Republic-era, random-ass droids that he probably picked up from the Jawas that morning for a few hundred credits and a junked ‘vaporator.

“I mean, Jabba’s seething here, but hey, free droids is free droids. Whatever. He takes the droids, throws things, orders a fight to the death between two gamblers who owed him money, killed one of his dancers at some point … and then Boushh shows up with fucking Chewbacca in chains—he’s Solo’s first mate, so Jabba was all happy about that, but not happy enough to pay the full bounty—and what’s Boushh do? Pull some gonads out from somewhere after all these years, and also pull out a fucking THERMAL DETONATOR! Going to blow us all to fuck if he doesn’t get his measley fifty thousand, and, well, there’s no arguing with crazy like that. 

“So now, if you’re keeping score, Jabba’s lost an absolute SHITLOAD of money and had his bookmaking industry fucked all to hell for like three years after the stunt from Skywalker the First, got screwed out of ANOTHER shitload of money in the farm scam by Skywalker the Sequel, got all but called an idiot to his face and insulted six times over by the same dude who’s apparently scammed so many people he’s forgotten who he has and hasn’t scammed, and got threatened out of fifty thousand credits by a second-tier bounty hunter IN FRONT OF HIS ENTIRE COURT.

“And then the next morning, what the fuck? Jabba’s favorite sculpture is gone, the one with Solo as its main ingredient that Boba Fett brought him. And Boushh is gone. And Jabba’s got a brand-new dancer chained up next to him. Night duty guy tells me Boushh unfroze Solo, and the new dancer girl IS Boushh, which, okay, you’re dealing with people like that and you look like that? You definitely need a helmet, but I feel like pretending she didn’t breathe oxygen was overkill. Anyway, then Skywalker shows up. All alone, no weapons, nothing, like he really believes in this Jedi shit. Arrogant little bastard, and we’re all laying bets on how Jabba’s going to kill him.

“So he talks a little, and fwoop! goes the trapdoor, and okay, everybody who bet on “Rancor” is doing a little happy dance, but then! BUT THEN! He fucking KILLS THE RANCOR! Drops its own cage door on its head and punches right through its skull! And—fucking NOBODY bet on that, which is a damn shame because everybody else would’ve just torn the winner apart out of sheer rage at that point and we coulda used some good bloodshed then, y’know? I mean, I dunno if you’ve ever met Jabba the Hutt, but he’s the kind of boss that’ll just go off and kill you for failing him or just because he’s angry at something. Just complete fucking asshole. I mean, he was pissed enough that everybody was worried for their safety, and so somebody dying messily right then would’ve calmed him down a bit.

“So Jabba’s big mad, and he gathers Skywalker and Solo and Chewbacca all together and says he’s gonna feed them to the Sarlacc, which is a nasty tentacled carnivorous plant out in the desert, so we all board the sail barge and have a nice little pleasure cruise—have you ever been to Tattoine? I’m fuckin’ kidding, it’s brutal. But hey, we get to see Skywalker executed, right? Wrong.

“Jabba offers them the chance to beg for their lives, and Solo calls him a slimy piece of worm-ridden filth, which, I mean, I could do better, y’know? If I’m about to die? Anyway, Skywalker goes up first, gets prodded to the edge, flips a salute off to who-knows-where, and does this little twist in midair, catches the fucking plank, and fucking SPRINGBOARDS himself back onboard, CATCHES HIS LIGHTSABER FROM MIDAIR where the one DROID shot it to him, and starts sending guards over the side, usually in pieces.

“So more guards rush forward to help, and there’s this huge fight, and fuckin’ BOBA FETT falls in, and while that’s going on? The fucking dancing girl has grabbed her chain and is FUCKING STRANGLING JABBA WITH IT! Like, I look over and he’s bucking and struggling and she’s pulling on that chain like anything, and then somebody hits me over the head with a bottle of Corellian brandy, and by the time I look again he’s pitched over dead! And nobody freaking bet on that!

“And then? Off they fucking go, Skywalker and Solo and Chewbacca and the dancing girl and the droids and one of the guards who I played sabacc with the other night and he owes me twenty credits! And that fucking Skywalker just cost me my job, and if I see him again I’m going to burn him to cinders myself!”

The man subsides, eyeing the gigantic ebony figure in front of him who, except for a couple of momentary starts as though he might say something, has been silently listening to him all this time.

Size-wise, Darth Vader has nothing on Jabba the Hutt, but somehow, he is scarier.

Finally, the dark form speaks. “You said you could do better.” A moment’s silence, and he clarifies. “If you were about to die.” He gets the impression that whatever monster lurks behind the helmet is smiling. “You are about to die now. Because you are a criminal, and because of what you have said about my son, Luke Skywalker. You have an opportunity to do better. Use it.”

The so-condemned criminal, late of Jabba’s palace guard, lets his jaw hang open unflatteringly for a moment while his brain catches up with events. HIS SON, which means …  

“YOU’RE Anakin Skywalker’s HUSBAND?”

The steady, hissing rhythm of Darth Vader’s rebreather actually stops dead as the Dark Lord straightens up as if stabbed with an electroprod.

In the instant before the man’s brains, blood, and spinal fluid coat the far wall, he has the momentary satisfaction of having, indeed, done much better than Solo.

[jumpingjacktrash]

i feel like i boarded a ride thinking it was one of those ‘boat slowly past the animatronic characters’ deals but it was actually space mountain

[iconuk01]

Reblogging this gem because it is unfeasibly funny and deserves to do the rounds again

[lithiumseven]

In honor of Threshold Day and our celebration of those funky lizard babies, I’d like to take a moment to remember the other wild shit that goes down in the episode:

-Fucking Neelix gives them the key to figure out how to break the transwarp barrier

-Tom Paris sees the entire universe

-Tom Paris becomes allergic to water

-we find out how old Paris was when he lost his virginity

-the Doctor sticks Paris in the warp core

-the Doctor classifies the tongue as a vestigial organ

-Janeway says she’s the one that fucked Paris not the other way around

-Paris solves his daddy issues

Truly the episode of all time

[spirkbitch]

They keep trying to make trek for modern sensibilities but they’re just making tos look excessively slutty

[spirkbitch]

Exhibit A

[spirkbitch]

I liked these tags but I had something to say about it

I already assumed that the dresses were a choice made by the female crew, mostly for my own sanity. They do show (very infrequently) women in tos wearing pants

And they show men wearing dresses in tng, but only ever in the background (unless you count the dress uniforms)

And obviously I like that these were included, but they were clearly a cop out decision.

“Yeah see men can wear dresses, women can wear pants. They just don’t choose to” reads as “of course I’m not sexist, women just like wearing tiny little dresses in the future”

And thinking about it from a late sixties perspective, many women did see more revealing clothes as an empowering choice to make. Men wanted women covered and modest, understated makeup, only exposed or done up for male enjoyment. Some women took that in the opposite direction and chose to wear more extravagant makeup, revealing clothing, and brighter colors. It was a progressive time, and some of the choices made in an attempt to highlight that in the show did not age well.

But at the same time, you can clearly see that some of these “progressive” points were only added in as a write off.

[anghraine]

And thinking about it from a late sixties perspective, many women did see more revealing clothes as an empowering choice to make. Men wanted women covered and modest, understated makeup, only exposed or done up for male enjoyment. Some women took that in the opposite direction and chose to wear more extravagant makeup, revealing clothing, and brighter colors.

I think it's worth emphasizing that this very genuinely is the main reason for the "sexist" miniskirts. IRL, women were often not choosing between sexy miniskirts and non-objectifying pants, but long skirts (respectable) and short skirts (rebellious). Deliberately wearing short skirts as rebellion against patriarchal control that mandated long skirts or maaaaybe loose slacks on a good day is still hardly unknown among girls/women leaving conservative communities in the USA, and was only more commonly coded that way at the time.

Sally Kellerman, the actress for Elizabeth Dehner, found the close fit of the supposedly more feminist pants uncomfortable and is often given something to hold in front of her because she was so intensely self-conscious about them. Grace Lee Whitney (Janice Rand) loathed the more "proper" initial look and worked with the (gay) costume designer, William Ware Theiss, to design a different, more daring and cool-looking aesthetic for women of the future that appealed to her personally. That was what resulted in the miniskirt uniform design. No doubt it served the objectifying tastes of various straight men involved, but literally zero of them were responsible for the design of Whitney's and Nichols's uniforms.

Not only did Nichelle Nichols not consider herself suffering from the miniskirt, she admitted later to sometimes deliberately lifting the skirt even higher at Uhura's station to show off more of her legs because she hadn't worked so hard on her body to not show them off. Meanwhile, Jill Ireland, the actress for Leila Kalomi, was nervous that she might have to wear the kinds of revealing costumes so many other TOS actresses did, and Theiss instead designed her the comfortable overalls she wears as Leila in "This Side of Paradise."

The kneejerk backlash against short skirts (in decidedly more reactionary eras of both Star Trek and US culture) led to both the large-scale disappearance of the skirts and the snide commentary on them throughout later iterations of Trek, with zero consideration of the fact that they were designed by a gay man to suit the preferences of the leading actresses at a time when they commonly represented rebellion. The Berman-era Star Trek productions tut-tutting at the old costumes while actually putting actresses in uncomfortable, form-fitting uniforms they disliked is ... uh, something else.

Even while the female Starfleet costumes shifted towards pants (and militarism) in the movies, btw, Nichelle Nichols insisted on getting to wear skirts as Uhura—because she liked them and she had little patience for 80s respectability.

[yaoiblackmold]

I absolutely love the casting for the AOS movies because yeah Chris Pine kinda looks like a yassified Jim Kirk, and Zachary Quinto does look like a younger Spock. But then they looked at big, tall, broad shouldered, muscular action man Karl Urban and went. Yeah, I think he can play scrawny bean pole shrimp postured, looks like a light gust of wind would blow him away, Leonard McCoy. And by god, were they correct because it was like the spirit of Deforest Kelley himself possessed him to play Bones.

[comicgeekscomicgeek]

Urbanization contributed to Deforestation.

[businesstiramisu]

#that may legitimately be the worst pun i've ever read with my own two eyes

[spacebaebe]

garak would love regency romance with all its courtship rules and nuances and secretive glances. also he secretly produced a self insert pride&prejudice fic about him and julian

[dindjarism]

STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS 2015 | dir. J.J. Abrams

[autumngracy]

[moghedien]

remember when Leia dressed in a dead man’s clothes, dragged one of her best friends into Jabba’s palace in chains, activated a detonator she was holding and kept holding it while staring down Jabba’s thugs and all the guns pointed at her, sold her friend to Jabba, rescued her boyfriend–who she knew was blind–and dramatically whipped off her disguise to give a clever one-liner and make out with him.

like it was a terrible plan in the first place, but you can never be more Iconic than that

[zombeesknees]

#SKYWALKER NONSENSE  #you think she’s immune - she’s notttttttt

[marxistgnome]

Memes shared by kids who grew up on starships I think they should have sea scout/land scout beef with kids that grew up on Starbases

[gesssekai]

STAR TREK: VOYAGER // S4E18: The Killing Game, Part I

↳ Kathryn Janeway in her White Tuxedo

[mysharona1987]

[beatrice-otter]

#i feel like this is also the stance of the movies#because lando spends approximately zero seconds redeeming himself#think of how black characters are usually treated for betrayals#even if it is an airquote betrayal#lando helps at the end of esb and is officially one of the heroes no redemption necessary#the whole choking thing is a misunderstanding really tags via cadesama

[hardcandyfilmclub]

#also note how Leia forgave him #real fast#this is a woman who does not do forgiveness easily #but she knew he was right#she was fully aware of that #she was angry because she loves Han#but she moved past it #because she knew he was right#the movie knows he’s right #the characters know he’s right#it isn’t even a question

[praetor-canis]

But if you look at it from another POV, why couldn’t Bail Organa have done the same for Alderaan? It’s not like the Death Star suddenly came out of hyperspace and attacked within a second, the battle station was in orbit for quite a while. Why didn’t Organa give himself up? Or “betray” Kenobi to save his planet and people? He could have commed the Death Star and said that he was leading Kenobi to Alderaan, and use him as a bargaining chip with Vader. He could have given up Leia for his people, telling Vader that she’s Padme’s daughter. Was he fine with using the planet and people as a shield? Knowing that it’s a core world and thus valuable enough to not be destroyed? Thoughts? @wingletblackbird @beatrice-otter

[beatrice-otter]

Are you looking for the Watsonian reason (the reason from internal story logic) or the Doylist reason (the reason the writer/director chose to do it that way)? Because there are reasons both ways. First, let’s talk the Doylistic reason. And that is that A New Hope is not about Bail. He doesn’t even get mentioned. Nor does Queen Breha, his wife (who is the actual planetary ruler, btw; Bail was the Senator before Leia, and he’s still one of the leaders of the Rebel Alliance, but he’s not the planetary ruler). Having him or Queen Breha do that negotiating would have taken the movie in a different direction and added characters and complexity that would have dragged it down and changed it from a fantasy-in-space to more of a political thriller. And taken the spotlight off of Leia, Luke, and Han, the three main characters. On a Watsonian level, there are actually a number of differences between Alderaan’s situation and Cloud City’s. First and foremost, Alderaan matters. It’s big and powerful. People care about it. And up to this point, the Empire has mostly been going after smaller targets. The places (important) people don’t really care about. Now, Alderaan’s importance is exactly why Tarkin chose it, but Bail and Breha don’t know that. It would be far more likely, from their point of view, for this to be some sort of bluff. In which case, the smart thing to do is bluster, pretend ignorance, and hope to hold out long enough for the Rebellion to figure out the weakness and destroy the thing. If they say “oh, yeah, we know all about the Rebellion, here’s your target!” what do you think happens to them and Alderaan? Nothing good! At that point, the Empire can justify anything it does to Alderaan as legitimate retribution for their treason. If they keep their cool, on the other hand, the Empire has a much harder case to make, and they’ve got a lot more wiggle room. Even if Bail and Breha seriously thought that Tarkin would destroy the planet, they almost certainly assumed that it would take more time. More negotiating. Not “I’m destroying it on the first half-transparent excuse I can find as soon as I find it!” I betcha they were frantically destroying records on Alderaan, sanitizing information and trying to figure out political strategies, not realizing that none of that mattered because Tarkin came there intending to destroy a major planet just to show he could. Cloud City, otoh, is small. Nobody cares about it besides the people who live there. Even before Alderaan, if the Empire cared to smite it, nobody would have blinked. Second, Alderaan was a target of the Empire because of its connection to the Rebellion. They capture Princess Leia, Alderaan becomes an immediate place of interest. The Empire wants to get rid of the Rebellion. Even if Bail gives up every other Rebel cell and base he knows about, the Empire would STILL know that Alderaan had rebels on it! They would still take action! There’s no possible intelligence Bail could give them that would make it worth their while to just … forget about the fact that Alderaan is run by rebels. Alderaan just got caught red-handed; Alderaan needs to be made an example of. (It’s just that Bail probably didn’t believe that the example would be “the complete destruction of the planet.”) If you’re not running a short ticking clock down to destruction, again, the best thing to do is bluff. You can always confess later; you can’t take back the confession. Cloud City, by contrast, just happens to be in the way. Vader doesn’t care what happens to Cloud City one way or the other; he doesn’t even care about Han, Leia, and Chewie. He just cares about getting his paws on Luke. So Lando actually has a great bargaining position. Vader wants one thing (Luke), which will be marginally easier to get with Lando’s help; Lando wants one thing (the protection of his people), which he depends on Vader’s good graces to secure. He can save his people (and get Han out of the line of fire) by throwing Luke under the bus. And then Vader will go away because, see point one, nobody cares about Cloud city, and Vader only cares about it in ESB because it’s where he happens to catch up to the Rebels who can call Luke for him. Agreeing to spare Cloud City loses him nothing, and gets him an easier setup for his trap. And that’s all Vader (or any Imperial) wants out of Cloud City. Boom! Done! Third, Bail is a committed Rebel. Lando is a complete outsider. Bail has chosen his allegiance, and it is twofold: to Alderaan, and to the Rebellion (or, as he puts it, “the Alliance to Restore the Republic.”). Even if he completely, totally, and utterly gave up everything he knows and gave the Empire enough information to track down and destroy the entire Rebellion, that probably still wouldn’t be enough to stop the Empire from massive reprisals against Alderaan. It wouldn’t save his planet. Betraying one of his allegiances would not save the other. Lando? Lando has no larger political affiliation. Lando’s allegiance is to Cloud City, full stop. He doesn’t have to worry about betraying his people and his cause; he just has to worry about getting the Empire through there and out of there as quick as possible. By handing over Luke, he is not betraying anyone he has any care for or allegiance to; and as for Han and Chewie (the two he actually cares about), the deal was that they would stay on Cloud City, remember? And even Princess Leia! Lando isn’t trading “all of the Rebellion” for his city; he’s not trading massive tactical information which could cripple the Rebellion for his city; he’s trading ONE REBEL for his city. That’s not a bad trade. Fourth, let’s assume Bail did cop to everything and turn information and himself over to buy Alderaan’s survival. What happens next? Why, the Empire has a weapon that can destroy entire planets, and the only people with a hope in hell of stopping that thing just got eliminated! In the long run, it’s probably better for the galaxy that Alderaan was wiped out but the Rebellion got the plans and destroyed the Death Star, than Alderaan saved and the Death Star still at large. Because if it wasn’t Alderaan, it would have been some other planet. The whole point of a weapon is to use it. This isn’t the Cold War, with two sides with equivalent weapons; this is one side with an overwhelming force that they can use to devastating effect, if you don’t destroy it first. If the Rebellion can’t destroy the Death Star, the galaxy is doomed forever. Bail knows this. And if he saved Alderaan by giving up the Rebellion, Alderaan would then have to exist in a galaxy ruled by the kind of people who like to destroy planets and can do so at will. That’s a long-term sword hanging right over their head. Cloud City? What are the consequences of selling out one Rebel to save it? Well, the consequences are pretty dire for that one Rebel. But not that big for the galaxy as a whole, or at least, Lando had no reason to believe they would be. Cloud City will have no long-term consequences, either; neither will Lando. Fifth, Bail copping to everything would require also throwing Leia under the bus. Her one hope of survival (he probably thinks) is using her threadbare excuse of being on some sort of diplomatic mission that has nothing to do with the Rebellion. Tarkin might hesitate to destroy Alderaan (or at least Bail probably thought he would), but not to torture and kill one politician. If Bail folds, Leia is toast. And he loves his daughter dearly. In the end, I bet he probably would have been willing to sacrifice her to save Alderaan, but not as a first option on a few minutes’ notice. Lando had never even heard of Luke before Vader showed up. The only people in the whole mess (besides his citizens) he has any connection to are Han and Chewie … and if he throws the dude he’s never heard of before under the bus, he can save the people he actually knows and cares about.