Someone in a discord i’m in brought up something interesting
So, within the roleplay of the Dream Smp, Dream is around the same age as Fundy, right? And Tommy and Tubbo are still acknowledged as being younger than Fundy and Dream, right?
Fundy is meant to be like 20 current day and Tommy and Tubbo are 16 current day in the roleplay. The war started when Fundy was 14-15, Dream in roleplay current day is meant to be his irl age (21) I think, so Fundy was 14-15 at the start of the first war, Dream was 15-16, and Tommy and Tubbo were….and this is the worst one…10 or 11
oh no
let’s not think about the fact that during the first war almost all of the soldiers were likely too small for their uniforms
because really, who makes soldier uniforms that fit kids age 10-16?
lets also not think about the fact that your brain isn’t finished developing until you’re 25, meaning that tommy/tubbo/dream/fundy are conditioned to exist in war and only war
they don’t understand peace because they never knew peace
THEY DONT UNDERSTAND PEACE BECAUSE THEY NEVER KNEW PEACE
I know everyone is thinking abt tommy and tubbo and same but like….
Dream was 16????? Which makes me think the only time people that young have to lead is if they’re born into it (crown prince or whatnot),,, which means he probably,,, was just determined to uphold everybody’s expectations,,, and had to look confident,,, and was probably terrified,,, and just following what he learned without much understanding on what is right or wrong bc he didn’t know to take the time to look into it,,, he just knew who he had to be,,,,, to lead,,,,,
Imaging Dream giving his “white flags” speech not because he truly is cruel and merciless, but because he’s scared and grasping at straws hits different. He was under so much pressure, didn’t know what to do, and far too young to be emotionally ready for this.
It also adds a lot to villian Wilbur, his army was composed of children, and he painted Dream as an absolute tyrant
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dream was only 16 when he was painted a villain, no wonder he’s so hesitant to publicly announce his side in this new war. he’s afraid he’ll be seen as a tyrant again.
Honestly Dream’s whole situation throughout the roleplay makes me incredibly sad.
He was a kid. Dream was sixteen at most (could have easily been a little younger, in fact, i’m fairly sure fifteen is a more likely number) when the war started, and i’m almost certain he was a relatively new leader at the time. Dream didn’t know how to handle the conflict with Wilbur, he didn’t know how to deal with politics, he didn’t know how to mediate a war. He was a child thrust into a position of immense power. And, well, assuming that this monarchy works like any other monarchy does, he, a child, likely lost his parents very recently.
To be honest, all he wanted was peace and order in his kingdom. “Don’t kill each other” the child told his kingdom “Don’t steal, don’t sell drugs”, those were his rules, his only conditions. Dream was a child, he didn’t have the capacity to extort his people, a grieving child, he didn’t have the will to act as a tyrant, a scared child, his goals- to maintain order- were never ambitious. There were no plans of war or expansion or corruption, just a child, stating in his most authoritative voice, that the people ought to be kind to one another, that they must not start conflict. Clearly, his order wasn’t strong enough. Drugs, stealing, fighting, bloodshed. Every single one of his rules were quickly tread over by anyone and everyone until Dream found himself in the middle of a war.
“Surrender.” his first instinct was to demand they give in. Dream phrased it as a demand. Bad things would happen if they didn’t surrender, this was their only chance and after that he’d have no mercy on them. The pretenses were false, it wasn’t an intimidation tactic. He was a child. A child who’d only ever asked for peace and order within his kingdom. Did anybody expect that he wouldn’t first reach for the possibility of a surrender? That he wouldn’t try to avoid fighting while he could? That he wouldn’t have been scared?!? Of course he was. I have no doubt he didn’t actually want to fight, but what was his other option? Allow a drug cartel to go completely unchecked in his kingdom?
And obviously, when you look at his actions throughout the war- the ruthlessness of his tactics- it’s easy to say he was out of line. The rebellion was incredibly outmatched, right? Dream could have lightened up, couldn’t he? That right there was Dream’s biggest downfall. He wasn’t able to make war look beautiful and glamorous. He didn’t know how to create a spectacle for the outside viewer’s pleasure. Dream was a kid who’d never fought a war before. And while he was focused solely on preventing a dangerous criminal entity from taking hold by any means possible, his opposition was marketing. Wilbur gave speeches about freedom and independence. Wilbur pushed the ten year old who was fighting his war in front of the crowd and lamented on how Dream could hurt an innocent child like Tommy. Wilbur applied buzzwords to Dream’s behavior, painting him a bloodthirsty tyrant. Wilbur was marketing, hiding the horrors of war and omitting details of his intentions, and Dream, a child who’d only just been pushed into the role of monarch and had yet to figure out how important social politics are, couldn’t defend himself from the propaganda. He didn’t even realize he needed to. That’s how Dream became the villain of the first war, because while Dream was fighting a war Wilbur was running a kingdom wide smear campaign against Dream.
Sadly, despite the fact that none of this was Dream’s fault, it’s easy to manipulate children. Dream was never a villain, he was a child, a child who always did the best thing he could. But Dream didn’t need to know that. The people had been convinced completely that Dream was a monster. A horrible dirty monstrous tyrant who fought against freedom. It’s easy to manipulate children, if the world thought he was a monster then maybe he was one. I mean, Dream has faced public opinion on him every day since he started fighting the first war, and of course at some point he likely would have started trusting that they were right. His morals said differently. He’d been protecting his people, he’d been trying to fight against a drug cartel. That’s what Dream thought. That’s what his moral compass said. But ever single other person was telling Dream differently. And that’s how we come to the more recent war. Dream isn’t a child anymore, but the manipulation of how he views the first war and his role in it started years ago, and, well, young adults are still impressionable, moreso than a lot of people give them credit for. When Wilbur came to Dream requesting favor from him- a favor in the form of stacks of tnt- was refusing ever an option? Surely Dream’s morals said this was wrong, but last time Dream went against Wilbur on account of his morality….Wilbur knew better than he did. Wilbur was better than he was. It didn’t matter what Dream thought was right, it was proven to him a long time ago that his own moral compass was skewed, that Wilbur knew better. How could Dream refuse Will?
Yeah, Dream was a child during the first war.
This makes the disc squabbles between Tommy and Dream much more lighthearted, but it makes the Lmanberg revolution so much darker… and just hits me in the gut because Dream must have been so sick and tired of this war that he was really looking for any way out. Thus, when a former friend offered a long bickered-over object, arguably a symbol of their childhood history, he accepted it as a symbol of peace.
Guys this is the general timeline of the Smp
