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[dead-dove-dolly]

Anti-Shippers being shitty part 2: Electric Boogaloo

So, my first Anti-Shippers being Pieces of Shit is getting too laggy to add anything onto, so here we go again.

First post can be found here!

"I'd rather hurt a real child than look at fictional characters"

A 25 year old caught trying to groom a 12 year old and having inappropriate conversations with said minor, now trying to send other people to harass said minor.

"I expect everyone to respect my boundaries, but it's okay for me to break other peoples boundaries and leave hate comments because I don't like them uwu"

Calling for violence towards innocent people!

And well, this is disgusting enough behavior in itself.

[dead-dove-dolly]

HOLY SHIT, DUDE, AN ANTI ADMITTED TO BEING A FUCKING PĒDŌ

"I'm going to sexually exploit a real persons real child because someone likes something I find icky."

A popular anti-ship, fictive stimblog (animefictives) came under fire for a mod who happened to be a fictive condoning incest in their source.

When they were questioned about it, they tried to sweep it under the rug by saying the anon exaggerated and stretched the story. Archive to the link here.

They didn't say or do anything until it was 100%, absolutely undeniable. Literally, it took a whole call-out post (Archived here) for them to finally leave the blog and/or condemn these actions.

I don't care if a fictive condones things in fiction, obviously, but the fact they tried to gaslight people into thinking the story was stretched and exaggerated while defending exactly what they think a predator is... Well, it's pretty telling.

Sharing their DNI just in case they decide to delete the blog.

Oh look, suicide baiting. How nice.

"Yeah, antis have killed people, but they're not as bad as incels because it's not their GOAL to kill people!"

As if people encouraging suicide DON'T have the goal for people to die.

Which, btw, if you encourage someone to commit suicide and they do it, you legally counts as a murderer, fun fact.

Not really BAD, but very amusing that they don't want people who think it's okay to shit on people for their interests, but don't want Proshippers interacting... Even though that's exactly a proship belief.

[dead-dove-dolly]

it's ADD ON TIME!

"I'm so proud I might've caused someone to commit sūicīde"

"Fictional children should be treated like real children."

"I learned that someone kīlled themselves and I'm happy about it, but I wish it would've been even worse."

"I'm going to blackmail and dox someone who could probably get killed, I hope someone makes CSAM of them."

"Im going to falsely clog the FBI mentions and NCMEC because people like a completely fictional ship I think is gross."

"A 14 year old would be better off being a child spouse to a pēdōphile than liking certain ships"

[dead-dove-dolly]

Some big name antis turning out to be sēxūal predators towards minors and/or siblings.

[dead-dove-dolly]

AYO UPDATE TIME I HAVEN'T UPDATED THIS IN A WHILE, THIS TIME RACISM FROM THE GENSHIN FANDOM TOWARDS CHINESE KAELUC SHIPPERS

[dead-dove-dolly]

Why do antis constantly use pictures of real children to compare them to fictional characters??? It's fucking creepy.

Oh, cool, advocating for genocide over a cartoon

Literally wishing someone gets raped over fiction. Ew.

Fantasies that include real people! Creepy.

[dead-dove-dolly]

Who likes updates?!

[godlessondheimite]

[fluffmugger]

#so did they miss the part where gatsby ends up floating dead in a pool and all the miserable deaths in wuthering heights#or did they miss that because there weren’t any chapters titled In Which The Sinners Are Punished For Their Errors#like. even if you require explicit moral instruction from literature it’s pretty hard to miss the comeuppance in those.

[pennie-dreadful]

“What I assume my teachers were trying to teach me”

[doctorbluesmanreturns]

Huck Finn is about a white Southern boy who was raised to believe that freeing slaves is a sin that would send you directly to hell who forges a familial bond with a runaway slave and chooses to free him and thereby in his mind lose his salvation because he refuses to believe that his best friend and surrogate father is less of a man just because he’s black. Yes it features what we now consider racial slurs but this is a book written only 20 years after people were literally fighting to be allowed to keep other human beings as property, we cannot expect people from the 1880s to exactly conform with the social mores of 2020, and more to the point if we ourselves had been raised during that time period there’s very little doubt that we would also hold most if not all of the prevalent views of the time because actual history isn’t like period novels written now where the heroes are perfect 21st century social justice crusaders and the villains are all as racist and sexist as humanly possible. Change happens slowly and ignoring the radical statement that we’re all human beings that Twain wrote at a time when segregation and racial tensions were still hugely prevalent just because he wrote using the language of his time period is short-sighted and foolhardy to the highest degree.

[mikkeneko]

I’m really kind of alarmed at the rise in the past few years of the “and we do condemn! wholeheartedly!” discourse around historical figures. it seems like people have somehow boomeranged between “morals were different in the past, therefore nobody in the past can ever be held accountable for ANY wrongs” to “morals are universal and timeless, and anything done wrong by today’s standards in the past is ABSOLUTELY unforgiveable” so completely, because social media 2.0 is profoundly allergic to nuance

please try this on for size:

there have always been, in past times as today, a range of people in every society, some of whom were even then fighting for a more just and compassionate accord with their fellow man and some of whom let their greeds and hatreds rule them to the worst allowable excesses. the goal of classics and history education is to teach you enough context to discern between the two, not only in the past but in the present

[three--rings]

My mind just boggles at the “There’s Racism In That Book” argument.  Yes, there is racism in that book, because that book is ABOUT RACISM.  The message is that it is BAD. 

My high school English teacher, who was a viciously brilliant woman, used to say that when people banned Huck Finn they said it was about the language, but it was really the message they were trying to ban, the subversive deconstruction of (religious) authority and white supremacy.

[lyricwritesprose]

Huckleberry Finn can actually be seen as a powerful case study in trying to do social justice when you have absolutely no tools for it, right down to vocabulary.  And in that respect, it’s a heroic tale, because Huck—with absolutely no good examples besides Jim, who he has been taught to see as subhuman, with no guidance, with everyone telling him that doing the right thing will literally damn him, with a vocabulary that’s full of hate speech—he turns around and says, “I’m not going to do it.  I’m not going to participate in this system.  If that means I go to Hell, so be it.  Going to Hell now.”

(I used to read a blogger who insisted that “All right, I’ll go to Hell,” from Huckleberry Finn is the most pure and perfect prayer in the canon of American literature.  Meaning, as I understand it, that the decision to do the right thing in the face of eternal damnation is the most holy decision one can make, and if God Himself is not proud of the poor mixed-up kid, then God Himself is not worth much more than a “Get thee behind me,” and the rest of us should be lining up to go to Hell too.  Worth noting that this person identified as an evangelical Christian, not because he was in line with what current American evangelicals believe, but because “they can change their name, I’m not changing mine.”  Interesting guy.  Sorry for the long parenthetical.)

Anyway, the point of Huck Finn, as far as I can tell, is that you can still choose to do good in utter darkness, with no guidance and no help and none of the right words.

And when you put it like that, it’s no wonder that a lot of people on Tumblr—people who prioritize words over every other form of social justice—find it threatening and hard to comprehend.

[damnfandomproblems]

Reply to #5375:

Reminds me of a fandom I once was part of many years ago. It was technically an adult fandom, as the media it is about is rated 17+ for violence and sexual themes. Yet somehow a vocal majority of the fans were teenagers, because the cast were teenagers as well.

But then one day these teens in the fandom started a campaign against the adult creators, calling them paedophiles and child abusers and whatnot for making fanworks of the teenage cast, even if many of the fanworks weren't even being above the T-rating and thus much more mild than the source material. Until most adult fans eventually left the fandom to create for other fandoms.

And then some time later I saw the remaining vocals teen fans whining that their favourite fanfics all got abandoned and that no more good fanart was being made and that the fandom was dying. Well, no shit Sherlock that the fandom is dying when you chased off the majority of creators for the fandom!

Posting as a response to a previous problem.

[aru]

Tumblr Code.

[geekishchic]

If I ever see any of you in public, the code is “I like your shoelaces”

that way we know we’re from tumblr without revealing anything

I’m just going to say this to strangers until i find a tumblr person

must keep reblogering!! Im going to be so suspicious if any one tells me this now!

Remember the answer is: I stole them from the president.

always reblog tumblr identification

[ty-bayonet-betteridge]

good god this just crossed my dash in the year of our lord 2023

[jeremysknoxes]

I LIKE YOUR SHOELACES??? IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2024??

[asteroidtroglodyte]

Let’s take it to 4 million, folks!

[alt-menu]

almost there!

[sociallyodd260]

TO 4 MILLION!!!!!!!!!

[snarky-wallflower]

THE ORIGINAL SHOELACES POST?? ON MY DASH IN 2024??

[abigail-pent]

@highladyluck

[dduane]

Gods bless the post. :)

(Remembering with pleasure when I got to do this last year with an auditorium full of people at Finncon in Tampere.)

[neo--queen--serenity]

The Black Butler revival will, of course, in this day and age, be the complete embodiment of pro-ship vs. anti-ship discourse, given the subject matter.

But for those of you who are watching this for the first time in 2024 (which includes myself!), there are certain things about the show you simply must understand, for the sake of media literacy.

The first is that Black Butler is supernatural gothic romanticism at its core. This genre alone should tell you that the relationships integral to the plot will be complex, messy, and toxic, by default. That is not only a huge part of this genre’s appeal, but very much the point of the story.

The themes are dark, the terrible things that happen to the main characters are dark, and therefore the relationships at the forefront (and in the background) will reflect that.

The gothic genre has been alluringly popular for over a century (longer, if you know your history) because audiences are entranced by the macabre, the tainted antiheroes, the monsters who live inside us all. It’s popular for a reason.

That being said, understand that whether you, the viewer, ship Sebastian and Ciel or not is irrelevant. Their bond doesn’t need to be understood as romantic or sexual, but it sure as hell isn’t normal. It isn’t healthy. And the audience knows that. That’s the draw. It’s what makes them compelling to watch.

Ciel and Sebastian’s relationship mirrors many gothic novels, poems, and penny dreadfuls written in the Victorian Era (the very same time period in which Kuroshitsuji takes place). The Victorian folks who read these tales for the first time ate that shit up, because it was tantalizing. It was shocking. It was inappropriate, and monstrous, and violent, and erotic, and went against societal norms. But that was the point.

A huge part of gothic romanticism is the blatant sexualization of the relationship between the “monstrous” characters and their human counterparts in the story. Sex itself doesn’t need to take place for their bond to be sexually charged. The forbidden nature of their relationship—which typically involves layers of social taboos, moral ambiguity, or simple infatuation—is what makes their interactions erotic. Sexual contact rarely ever actually happens in these stories. It’s the taboo nature of their bond that creates the tension.

One of the many reasons audiences love this genre is the constant question of morality in its themes. Who, between them, is the real monster? Could the human character have ever been saved? This genre is often associated with tragedy, because the bond forged between the characters in these stories are destined to end in death and destruction. The reader knows it can’t end any other way. How can it?

But an integral element of these gothic tales is the catharsis that comes with this tragedy. The corrupted human often gets what they want in the end, even if it’s at the cost of their own life. Whether they regret their choice to foster this monstrous relationship varies on the story, but it doesn’t change the trajectory of their descent.

Sebastian and Ciel’s relationship is the whole plot of Black Butler. Their closeness bears a grotesque ick factor, but it is deliberate. It is a constant reminder of how unnatrual their bond truly is. Rationalizing or watering down how abnormal they are about each other misses the point entirely. They will never have a normal, healthy relationship, and that’s what moves the plot forward.

That’s why you’re watching it.

[prof-grace-aspen]

I really think everyone needs to truly internalize this:

Fictional characters are objects.

They are not people. You cannot "objectify" them, because they have no personhood to be deprived of. They have no humanity to be erased. You cannot "disrespect" them, because they are not real.

[nope-the-weeb-deactivated202408]

I know this has good intentions, so I will just add the "how you treat them, even as objects of fiction, can speak about your own character, be careful out there"

[prof-grace-aspen]

Your addition is actually completely antithetical to my message. It is literally the opposite of what I am conveying.

Stop telling people to encourage the cop inside their head.

How you treat fictional characters, given they are entirely objects of fiction, does NOT necessarily speak to your own character, and you do not need to be "careful".

It is not dangerous to imagine dark things happening to fictional characters. It does not mean you are secretly a bad person. It does not mean you unconsciously want to hurt people in real life. It is not a "slippery slope" to doing bad things to people in real life. You cannot damage your brain or turn yourself into a bad person by consuming "dark" fanfic.

I can write tentacle noncon of my favorite character all day long and be a fierce anti-sexual assault advocate in real life because what I do in my head is not the same thing as what I do in real life.

[askinfresh]

These tags were too perfect to not include

[silvergryphonart]

One thing that might help clarify it: in any fiction, no matter how dark, every real person involved is consenting.

The author and the audience are both choosing to be there and can revoke their consent at any point by putting the book down. The characters are not real, they are not being asked to make a choice because they have no ability to choose, but you do and you can leave at any time, for any reason. In most cases you as the author or audience also have context that tells you things will turn out alright in the end, or a reason to think they shouldn’t for this character. All the real people involved can expect a satisfying ending, and are not at any point being kept captive in a situation that will harm them.

Your ability to choose what fiction you take part in is a powerful thing, and you’re not doing yourself any favours by believing that doesn’t matter. If you don’t like it, sincerely, you don’t have to be there. Others who do like it are making their own choices, and those choices are separate from what they want to do in real life.

[dufferpuffer]

I will never get over the fucking gall of the second person in this chain, coming in and saying something so... utterly tone-deaf. To like a terrifying extent. Not only in general, but on THAT post.

With the juicy little 'I know this has good intentions' too, WOW. Passive aggressive holier-than-thou... and then their message is 'I will judge you for how you play with your building blocks' jesus christ

What do they even mean by 'careful'...? Is that a threat?

[nope-the-weeb-deactivated202408]

hi, second person here - I'll admit, not my best take (in fact, I leave it up because I learned a lot from the responses lol).

'passive aggressive holier-than-thou' hurts but yeah.. I truly thought I was super clever for thinking about the framing of characters while still agreeing that they cannot be objectified. This was also wrong - you can frame your characters and their interactions however you want and this does not say anything about your character.

putting this not as a response but as clarification and possibly entertainment to prev if they haven't blocked me

[moniquill]

I'm reblogging this version because I feel it's important to know that @nope-the-weeb grew from this. It's important to remember that someone's bad takes are not their entire being. People grow.

[seeresultssweep]

ik this blog is dead but yknow what, im gonna take advantage of my following to make an important post:

this pride month, i want you to educate yourselves & support the "controversial" queers.

& no i dont mean people with contradictory labels or xeno pronouns or those who use outdated/offensive terminology. i mean the people that even the most sex-positive, pro-kink, self-proclaimed perverts think are dangerous freaks who deserve to die.

i mean the paraphiles & people with taboo or stigmatized kinks/fetishes. i mean the people into the most taboo & stigmatized things like children, animals, corpses, & incest. i mean the people into violent things like murder, gore, rape, & abuse. i mean the people into unsanitary things like piss, shit, vomit, sweat, & snot. i mean the people into things that are constantly memed on like feet, armpits, bodily excretions, cartoon characters, pool toys, & plushies. i mean the people with attractions that would be illegal, immoral, or downright impossible to act out in real life.

no attraction is inherently harmful or evil. there are safe ways to indulge in these things such as fictional content, roleplay with consenting partners, & custom sex toys.

no, i dont think paraphilias are lgbt+ identities. they cant really be grouped into the same category or treated the same way as being gay or trans. but paraphilias are undeniably queer, as theyre highly stigmatized attractions that fall outside the norm. paraphiles face far more violence & hatred than any other lgbtq identity you can think of. it is still normalized & accepted to subject paraphiles to abusive treatments that have been proven to be cruel & ineffective, such as conversion therapy, forced sterilization, & excessive medication. even queer people forget their own history & advocate for this kind of abuse for paraphiles. there is no safe space for paraphiles to seek support, acceptance, or community the way lgbtq has pride, & that's a damn shame.

& believe it or not, many (maybe even most!) paraphiles are gay, bi, pan, poly, trans, nonbinary, aro, ace, & any other lgbtq identity you can think of.

so yes, paraphiles belong at pride. spend this month unlearning preconceived biases & educate yourself on what paraphilias actually are & how theyre not inherently dangerous.

[sexboobomb]

one of the single most frustrating things to me is when people see "paraphilia" or any of the specific examples by name and immediately go tunnel-vision and refuse to even consider that maybe. just maybe. these are people too.

obviously the equation changes if someone gets hurt (nonconsensually), but there is no such thing as thought crime! we as a society collectively decided that there was a specific group of philias that made dehumanization acceptable, and you know what happened? our oppressors start labeling us as part of that group so it's acceptable to dehumanize us.

you cannot dehumanize any groups of living breathing human beings without giving oppressors a label to use against the groups they seek to destroy. we decided that pedophiles are okay to wish death upon, and what do conservatives start calling queer people?

[hottakes-of-twosided-logic]

Hot take of today

This goes out to both sides, but considering a certain side has more of a problem with this *antis*

Invalidating others for their trauma, shared views or not is never fucking ok

It’s especially not fucking ok under ANY circumstances to tell someone that they should

KYS or much less don’t fucking say someone deserves or deserved to be SA’d , it’s not fucking cool it ain’t fucking cute and it’s especially not “morally correct” you don’t get a pass just cause you believe to be of higher standing than them

It goes without saying that internet drama should never be reason enough to tell a survivor that their trauma was deserved proship or not

[chrometrashcan]

forgive me father for i have sexualized an older man

[cptkitten]

dude in the other side of the confessional, smoothing back his more salt than pepper hair, tugging at his collar, breaking into a slight nervous sweat that highlights his crows feet and laugh lines: Is that so?

[animentality]

[bornofhumanhate]

I saw a TikTok about OP getting older while their old anime crush stays the same, they were very sad about it. The comments were people freaking out about it too or how they “grew out” of their crush, which looked more like them trying to convince others or themselves.

These young people stressing over getting old and not being able to like their old fictional crushes, because… they don’t age?

I’ve always kinda thought some of the characters I like grow with me. I have fun time thinking about us being older together. Or I think about myself being younger.

So it’s just so sad to see these younger people having anxiety over what fictional characters they like.

[kineticpenguin]

[oleathe]

Acab because the people that made this meme thinks the cops should just kill someone like this

[cornpopwasframed]

Cops having a chuckle because they’re too cowardly to take a beating in order to save a life. All cops are cowards.

[x-menunited]

[marxisforbros]

“There’s a cure?!” asked the girl that kills everything she touches.  “Hey shut up we’re perf” replied the girl that makes clouds. 

[theboylondon]

For real though. Storm has stopped an entire tsunami before. “Makes clouds my ass” she can conjure lightning and tornadoes and is revered as a god in her tribe. She literally changes atmospheric pressure and that’s how she flies. So fuck you. Storm is flawless.

[sun-spiral-deactivated20210109]

I think you missed the part where the GIRL WHO KILLS EVERYTHING SHE TOUCHES wants to NOT KILL EVERYTHING SHE TOUCHES and everyone dismisses her incredible misfortune just because the lady who is the AVATAR OF THE STORM won the fucking SUPERPOWER LOTTERY

[mangonetics]

“Finally, a cure for my chainsaw hands!” decreed Chainsaw-Hands Joe.

“There is no cure,” said Johnny Five-Dicks. “There’s nothing wrong with us.”

[holyromanhomo]

The last comment literally always cracks me up

[feetdavidson]

I’m proud to identify as morosexual. I’m attracted to dumbasses and dumbasses exclusively. A guy asked me what the Spanish word for tortilla was once and now I dream of kissing him under the moonlight

[feetdavidson]

this same idiot: what kind of animal is the pink panther

me, already taking off my clothes: benjamin you’re so fucking stupid

[servalias]

oh my god the original out in the wild

[cakeboxie]

Hellooooooo selfshippers + oc x canon people!!! reblog game :D

Give me your f/os and the canon characters you ship with (as many as you want!) and I’ll give them an aesthetic Pinterest drink!

[dead-dove-dolly]

Alastor please?

[cakeboxie]

[dead-dove-dolly]

Oh yessss

[cakeboxie]

Hellooooooo selfshippers + oc x canon people!!! reblog game :D

Give me your f/os and the canon characters you ship with (as many as you want!) and I’ll give them an aesthetic Pinterest drink!

[dead-dove-dolly]

Alastor please?

[pam00n]

Hiii if you're here to be annoying and ask me to put TWs for cartoon g0re of a show that shows uncensored g0re than pls just block me, your comfort is not my business and I do not care.

And don't you dare use your trauma on me to gain sympathy, you're a stranger who I've never met , it is not my business, I have my own mental health struggles and I rather keep it just be my own problems and not add some random stranger from the interwebs problems to mine.

And calling me ableist for it is absurd.(I'm literally professionally diagnosed that I'm on the spectrum ♾️🌈 :p)

My acc is not your safe space, it is MY safe space.

I can draw and post whatever I want (that includes cartoony g0re of a show that shows uncensored g0re ,and btw HH has no g0re TW at the beginning of episode 5 :p) and if you got a problem with that pls just scroll and block me , it's that simple.

Also.. using my anti radioapple post against me is stupid aswell, all I said is basically I don't like the ship and it makes me uncomfortable, I didn't say 'don't interact'

I don't mind if RadioApple fans interact with me ,I can't stop 'em :p

I respect your ship ,I just personally don't like it and kinda over exaggerated my silly little post ^^

[dead-dove-dolly]

Yeah buddy, this isn't it.

Tag properly.

As someone who enjoys fucked up shit in fiction, you're more likely to get the audience you want with proper tagging AND you won't have to risk triggering people.

If you're gonna post in LARGE FANDOM TAGS with UNTAGGED FUCKED UP SHIT, you're gonna get flack for it.

Just because it shows it in the show, that doesn't mean that's all everyone wants to see. FFS, Amazon got fucking BACKLASH over not giving proper warning over the Masquerade episode of Hazbin that they had to go back and put in the beginning of the episode, and even Helluva Boss is VERY generous with content warnings. (And considering everything, pet death isn't in Hazbin. Deer death? yes. Pet death? No. Cats and deer are very different.)

If you're going to post in the main fandom tags and character tags, you NEED TO BE COURTEOUS to everyone else using said tag.

A lot of ships make me uncomfortable, a lot of content triggers me. I have tags blacklisted so I don't see them if they trigger me. People can create that content and, if they tag it, I won't see it unless I, MYSELF, open the post.

On that note, pet and animal death is worse than human death to a lot of people, especially trauma survivors for a variety of reasons.

Sincerely, a CSA survivor with low empathy and is also on the spectrum, so please don't use your disorders as an excuse to be a dick, thanks.

Also, it's against TOS to improperly tag stuff. It counts as spam, and considering gore is a fishy area, yeah, no bueno, buddy.