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[littlefankingdom]

That's not what is happening in UTRH. What the fuck did you read, because it's not UTRH. Jason clearly does not care about other victims, only himself, as shown by him BLOWING UP A BUILDING with a rocket launcher, which could very easily kill people surrounding it who have nothing to do with Black Mask. He is also A PIMP in that comic and starts a gang war, which will harm people and make victims.

Also, the fucking words of the writer himself:

Jason never cared about victims, only himself, in UTRH. He doesn’t have a "new definition of justice", he is a bad guy. He is LITERALLY a petty vengeful kid.

We need to buy reading comprehension to Jason fans.

[vampykitty-kun2]

Civies Terry! ❤️

- Batman / Static Beyond (2025-2026) #3

[bruce-wayne-enjoyer]

So basically a Jason that doesn’t have his own ideology or philosophies and just follows behind Bruce and everything Bruce says and does because he’s wrong and that’s it and Bruce’s way is the only way and nobody should challenge that because they’ll always be wrong. Also jason is in the wrong for his relationship with Bruce and he has to change himself and apologize because he’s wrong and nobody else is wrong at all. Just Jason.

Also, Jason as a victim is wrong to want his killer dead and not want to see even more victims because.. Bruce’s way is the best way.

Anyways, here's some nice Jason daddy's boy headcanons, spanning from Jaybin to Red Hood era

the receipt for the Batburger meal that Bruce got Jason when they first met is framed next to a picture from when the adoption was signed in court

what broke through Jason's Lazarus pit temporary amnesia when he was in the LOA is when baby!Damian first said his name "Jay" in the same happy intonation Bruce does, and it snapped Jason back to focus — Talia said he crawled under the table sobbing, asking everyone where his dad was

every batkid has a signature tactile affection method — for Jason, it was bumping his head with Bruce. Bruce has often aliked Jason into a very grumpy cat. Jason stopped getting mad because the last time he growled about it, Bruce burst out laughing because he actually sounded like a disgruntled kitten

Jason was once tiny and relatively light that Bruce asks him to walk along his spine... Jason tried to do it when he got older and Bruce burped so hard from impact that it actually startled Alfred from 2 floors down

Jason has a pillow in the Batmobile for stakeouts that Bruce remembers to keep clean for whenever Jason decides to steal the car (Jason has not noticed how very convenient it is that the batmobile keys are always where he can find it, even if Bruce expressed sentiments against having the car stolen)

Bruce can still carry Jason but Jason can't carry Bruce — or rather, Jason can, but the last time they did that, Dick made a joke about "one day, Dad's gonna be too sick and old to move lol so this is gonna be your job when that day comes 😝" and Jason got so offended and sad that he didn't put Bruce down for 5 hours (he was thinking about Catherine and how he couldn't hold/carry her when he was young and she was sick)

Bruce has the best room to have migraines in (black out curtains, powerful air conditioning, heaviest blanket) so it is not uncommon for him to flop in bed and have a disgruntled Jason cry out like he's interfering with his territory

Anyways like I said, no need to be rude. I'm neurotic, not daft

I had a response to this before with a nicer anon if you want an actual response. But no, I'm not exhausting myself with you illiterate rat bastards. Block me. Block the batfamily tag. Do literally anything else, I beg you

[loonstar4477]

Is there a BatLantern fic in which Hal turns into Pallax and Bruce has a lot of feelings about that?

If so I need it.

If not I may just need to read the entire Pallax arc and start writing myself

[babblingflowers]

Unironically I think that Terry was the best execution of how to make an amalgamation Robin character (even though he obviously isn’t an actual Robin)

he’s got a lot of Dick Grayson’s temperment, as well as style, he’s a very acrobatic fighter, and well, we’ve all seen the suit. He also has the mirrored backstory to Bruce like Dick does.

he’s a rough and tumble bad boy like Jason (bad boy is a loaded term but you all know what I mean)

he’s got a living family like Tim (well, not anymore, RIP Jack and Janet Drake) and he’s also a tenacious little fucker like Tim who knows how to take initiative (aka break into the batcave and steal the batsuit) and he’s obviously got a bit of that mini Batman energy going considering he is Batman

And then, on top of all that, against all odds, because Damian Wayne did not exist yet, he turns out to be Bruce’s actual biological son, just like Damian (this is a terrible writing choice. Nothing good about it what so ever. but still crazy that it happened)

[occasionalauthoring]

If you want to read comics, stay away from "Injustice." I swear, this comic killed me. And the worst part is, they put what Superman did and said, "Oh, if Bruce had been a better friend, this wouldn't have happened." "Even his best friend didn't stand by him." "Oh, you didn't comfort Clark, Bruce." Guys, guys, half the Justice League was there. Don't make me mad . Bruce comforting Clark would have changed everything, I'm sure of it 🙄. Oh my god, even John fought with Bruce in Injustice because he didn't comfort his dad. While Bruce is the one whose sons and friends were killed because he stood up to Superman! I'm going to kill someone.

Never heard this about Injustice. Like the Bruce-blaming part of it. What.

[three-semicolons]

I’m curious, what’s your preferred age for when Bruce takes dick in?

I like a 25 year old Bruce Wayne for an 8 year old Dick Grayson. One of my favorite things about their relationship is how complex and multifaceted it is. Contemporary comics treat them as very father/son, but this is actually quite recent. As soon as a few decades ago, “ward”, “brother”, “partner”, and “best friend” were all used by one to describe the other far more frequently.

Genuinely, you could not condense what Bruce and Dick are to each other under a single label, or through any major simplification besides the fact that they care about each other deeply. Their relationship is too parental to neglect those facets, but too equal, for lack of better words, to be parent and child. As in, Bruce relies on Dick significantly, dating back from the golden age to now. I think 25 years old is perfect for facilitating this dynamic.

Too much younger and it does becomes pretty solidly older/younger brother, but too much older and it becomes very explicitly parental. I like that they’re just… kind of everything. There isn’t a name for it. They’re Batman and Robin. And that’s really neat imo.

[re-naa]

[memento-mori-1999]

In light of the recent Batman issue, I have no commentary on it other than I better start seeing a BILLION “Pit Madness” Bruce fics from now on or else I am going to call a certain sub-sect of fans hypocritical. If you’re going to make shit up you gotta be consistent with it. It’s the THIRD time he’s been in one guys, surely you can extend your magic green rage powers to him now. If Jason going in once turns him into a crazy violent bad boy woobie who can do no wrong then Bruce going in three times better turn him into the Green Goblin. He better start biting people. Every other word out of his mouth better mention “the green” in his vision. He better start viciously beating his sons and then be instantly forgiven because he feels really really bad about it even though it “wasn’t really him”. I’m watching you guys 👀

[figgz1]

Not to mention all the other characters who have been put in the pit and did not get "Pit Madness".

Like, not even Ra's, the Pit's number one user and advocate, has ever claimed to not be in control of his emotions and impulses. If anything, he's known for his cunning and planning. Which a lot of Jason fans also say about Jason in villain mode.

It's almost like Pit Madness is not a thing, just a crutch a lot of fans/fic writers use to excuse his shitty behavior when he was a straight-up villain.

[skeleton-brainz]

Post-Jason death fics don't utilize how traumatized Bruce is.

For context, my brother died suddenly at 17. Not from any drugs or accidents. Just sudden cardiac failure. And i had to watch my parents deteriorate afterwards.

A month or two after his death there was a tornado warning. And while i carried all the children downstairs, my mother stood there for a while because she wouldn't mind seeing my brother again.

And i dont expect other people to experience that. I just think its a bit of an untapped arc.

Yes people use him being violent, and sad. But no one dives deep into how utterly heartbroken he is. He has a baby, one that he needs to constantly remind himself is dead.

One he wants to turn to on patrol and make a joke (Jay would giggle, because batman doesnt joke.)

He walks by the room and sobs because he expects a sleeping Jason in there, face in a tiny worn down chick novel.

He recounts each day what he could have dine differently. How maybe if he skipped a coffee, if he used a different car. If he did something.

He stresses over stupid shit, he takes more shortcuts, anything to get places faster. Anything to prepare for if something like this happens.

Happy moments until theres a noise that sets off his grief.

Him clawing at the dirt because he just needs to hold him. He cant live without his baby

Him staring at walls, not entertained by anything anymore. He stops eating, drinking for days on end. Empty, wishing he would die to see him one more time.

[fantastic-nonsense]

the issue ultimately posed in "The Diplomat's Son" is not whether Jason did or did not push Felipe Garzonas or whether it would have been justified if he had (or rather...it is a question, but it's not the most important issue). The issue deemed more important to highlight is that Bruce questioned whether Garzonas fell or was pushed and doubted Jason's word when Jason said he fell. Any discussion of Jason's "temperment" or "anger issues" and whether he feels justified in taking that anger out on the criminals he fights is secondary to that point.

The entire issue is very careful to paint Bruce as sympathetic to and understanding of Jason's anger and frustration over their inability to actually hold Felipe accountable for his repeated abhorrent behavior in the face of his diplomatic immunity. The fact that Jason is impulsive and angry over the situation isn't framed as "this is something inherent to Jason's personality" but a specific emotional response he's having to an incredibly fucked-up situation:

"You've apparently become too emotionally involved in this case, Jason." -Batman #424

There's also an element of "he's young, but he'll learn in time" implied in Bruce's thought boxes:

"Over the next three days, we have a dozen opportunities to bust Felippe Holding. But we hold off. I want to take out a part of the senior Garzonas' operation when Felipe takes his fall. Jason doesn't like this idea. He hasn't yet learned that ninety percent of crime-fighting is waiting." -Batman #424

Bruce's pointed question at the end ("did he fall...or was he pushed?") in response to Jason's initial refusal to explain what happened is framed as a double point: we as readers are asked to consider the implications of what Jason did or didn't do...but we're also asked to consider the implications of Bruce even thinking that Jason might have pushed him:

Bruce's immediate conclusion to Jason's refusal to answer a question is to ask if Jason killed him, and then look distrustfully at him as he grapples off? And that's the last panel? It's not just about what Jason did or didn't do here, but about Bruce's reaction.

The fact that the immediate follow-up to the story (Garzonas's father attempting to get revenge on Bruce and specifically Jason for his son's death) retells this story fairly sympathetically, highlighting Jason's inability to "deal with the injustice of the situation," just hammers this point home, especially considering that Bruce thinks there's a solid possibility his 15-year-old son just killed a man:

"Knowing Felipe was going to take another crack at her, Gloria Stanson opted for a foolish and very permanent way out. This set Jason off. He just couldn't deal with the injustice of the situation." -Batman #425

But Bruce's doubt of Jason's word permeates #425 (in fact, the panel directly after this highlights Bruce's distrust of Jason as his partner and his decision to unofficially bench him), and his "teaching moment" at the end is the punctuation mark:

"His name was Jose Garzonas. He was Felipe's father, Robin. For every action in this universe, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Consequences, Robin. There's no escaping them." -Batman #425

#424 and #425 are often pointed to as Starlin's attempt to provide some sort of narrative justification for Jason's death. But the issues' treatment of Jason doesn't seem to really support that. Bruce is generally sympathetic to how Jason feels about the Felipe situation, Jason's anger is specifically noted to be at the "injustice of the situation" and his frustration over his helplessness and inability to save Gloria, and Jason seems to learn whatever lesson Bruce is trying to impart on him about "the consequences of his actions" in the closing pages of #425. Bruce's issues with Jason's hypothetical actions and the fact that he continues to doubt Jason's word is more important for the narrative to deal with than any actual issues Jason might be having.

Of course, this gets turned around in Death in the Family to focus on "how oddly" Jason's been acting as of late and Bruce+Alfred ultimately connecting this to Jason's unresolved grief over the death of his parents, but it is notable that even here, they note that this anger and recklessness is odd for Jason. In other words, it's not how he normally acts:

"Robin-Jason Todd-had been acting oddly of late. Very moody. Resentful. Reckless......I toss him to Robin. Let the boy finish him off. He obviously has a dangerously high level of aggressive energy to work off." -Batman #426

And Bruce and Alfred specifically trace this uncharacteristic anger and recklessness to Jason's unresolved grief and issues over his parents' deaths. It's why Bruce takes Jason off active duty in the first place; not because he's worried that Jason is a danger to other people, but because he's worried Jason is a danger to himself:

"The kid's losing it. He dived into those thugs like someone looking to die." -Batman #426 (Death in the Family: Part 1)

Later attempts in the 90s and early 2000s to victim-blame Jason for his own death and call him a "bad Robin" with anger and impulsivity issues largely contradict both the issues leading up to his death and the actual story in which he dies. Ultimately, "The Diplomat's Son" and its follow-up are more concerned with Bruce's doubt over Jason's place at his side as his partner than whether Jason himself is suited for heroing, and "A Death in the Family" is more concerned with Jason's unresolved familial trauma and how those resurfaced issues specifically cause him to act so oddly that Bruce benches him for his own safety.

tl;dr: Jason wasn't a bad Robin and he didn't have anger issues. He was a 15-year-old kid who was a) immensely frustrated and angry after watching a traumatized woman hang herself while her abuser walked free and then b) upset over his unresolved issues regarding his parents' deaths (especially after realizing that Catherine Todd wasn't his bio mom and that he still might have a living mother). Bruce doubting Jason's word and yet still seeing the outcome as a teachable moment is the more important point of Jason's final story, not painting Jason as being angry and impulsive in an effort to narratively justify his upcoming death.

[bat-in-the-scarlet-night]

If Terry was dropped into the main universe, which of the batfam do we think he would get along with??

Im feeling like Tim or Duke since he has a more laid back kind of attitude. Plus Terry kind of started being Batman for the same reason Tim became Robin. They felt that the city needed batman (and they both stole their suits). I wonder how Tim would react to Jocker Jr.

It would be so cute if Terry only saw Damian as a little brother (like Matt) even if he acts like a little demon. If Terry got brought over with Ace then I feel like Damian would warm up to Terry a little bit quicker.

I feel like Terry would find it weird seeing Barbra so young and not as commissioner Gordon. He'd probably think she's much cooler like this.

I wish there was more Terry Mcginnis in batfam fics 🥲

[figgz1]

I've always thought Terry and Duke would get along great because they have similar backgrounds.

For some reason, the idea that he would not vibe with Dick just feels right.

[lumsel]

Of all the weird contrivances that superhero media have by virtue of genre, I think the no-kill rule is one of the easiest to justify. "Why don't these paragons of virtue extrajudicially murder people?" fuck dude, I wonder.

[theghostwife]

A Jason Todd Au where the people of Crime Alley turn their backs on him the moment he starts to insult Batman.

Like we all know Jason wants to control Gotham, not necceassrily save it, at least not like Bruce. Jason is like other Crime Lords, and while he doesn't deal drugs to kids or abuse women, he is very much someone who continues to system of exploiting the vulnerable. In my opinion, it's been worse because he primarily did it to get back at Bruce.

So with that in mind, what if one night, Jason and Bruce get into it and those that over hear their argument, hates that Redhood would dare imply that Batman doesn't care about them.

[bat-raccoonz]

I keep forgetting most of the fandom actually doesn't like Bruce.

I've been blessed with the tiny little Bruce-loving corner of Tumblr and I set one toe outside and I'm immediatly blasted with pure and utter disgust towards my little guy.

And, I get it, everybody has their own little guy, but.. This is kinda.. Ouch.

I get that sometimes you put blame on one character, or you make them a bit worse, or anything to make your little guy special.

But this many people? This much? And on such a level?

And most people think it's canon? How do you..? How do I tell people Bruce isn't the incarnation of evil and misary..?

How do I do that?

[joekitsu]

obvious double think when anything bruce or anyone says about jason is them being unreliable narrators but anything jason says about others is fact.

jason says that bruce genuinely beats jason harder than he ever beat joker in rhato? that's obviously a fact, not his pov, not him trying to gripe or snark at bruce

narration says that jason is taking huge cuts from prostitution in uth? the narrative is clearly against jason. have you considered that this might mean he's an ethical pimp who is protecting sex workers and women? that he's actually a leftist feminist king? listing his crimes, are you classist racist misogynistic?

Hi anon! I'm assuming you're talking about this post I reblogged?

I feel like a lot of it is fans wanting to justify their liking of a very blatantly morally ambiguous sometimes downright evil character without actually addressing what the character does or is doing. And to that I say, LET CHARACTERS BE WRONG AND IN THE WRONG!!!! LET THEM BE EVIL!!!

In UtRH Jason is not supposed to be viewed as antihero. He's introduced as a rogue, a villain, who happens to be Batman's son, his second Robin. He is not supposed to be 'good', he was here to be tragic and to challenge Bruce’s morals. Unfortunately, when people started to like him a lot more than they were ready for, DC needed to clean his act up and make him more 'marketable'. His crimes are never really addressed by the batfam (barring damian calling him a murderer that one time, tell me if there are more instances, i think cass was also weary of him) or the narrative, and more specifically by Batman (when he's not actively fighting Jason and trying to stop him from doing crime, coz thats his son and above all he wants Jason to come home), so they get washed over and considered 'unimportant'. It doesn't matter that Jason initially killed his own goons for the heck of it and has an estimated kill count of 100+ coz now he runs with the Outlaws as an 'antihero'. It doesn't matter that he took cuts from prostitutes who were already suffering under gangs coz he used to live in that area and he suffered as well. It doesn't matter that he started drug wars and gang wars and left severed heads as a warning coz he's just so traumatized and look he reads Jane Austen what a feminist icon he must be.

I don't even hate Jason, that's the thing. He's a great character for the narrative to throw a wrench in Bruce's ideals. He's a proper tragedy and he's angry and that's what motivates a lot of what he did as Red Hood. But that's what he is, a tragedy. He suffered but he was good, he was good but the universe decided he needed to die, he died but was brought back and filled with so much rage and hurt that he didn't care who he took it out on, be it innocent people or his father. The tragedy is that young Jason would have hated the Red Hood. When you take that tragedy and wash it of everything that makes him such a good tragedy, make him morally Right and Likeable, you start to lose the plot a little I think. But that's just me.

[okoyestrainee]

Bruce and Clark have a very special relationship that’s resulted in multiple levels of privilege and confidentiality.

Batman-Superman privilege: things discussed in uniform stay between them unless otherwise specified or necessary. Batman doesn’t spill the tea on Superman and Superman doesn’t tell Batman’s secrets (the ones he knows, anyway).

Friend privilege: if it’s embarrassing, hilarious, gossip-worthy, or stupid, it stays within the confines of the friendship until or unless both agree to share with others. The “others” are usually Diana, Alfred, Lois, and/or Dick (who immediately tells his siblings).

Breakdown privilege: if one of them has gotten to the point of a nervous/emotional/mental breakdown, the events leading up to and included in said breakdown remain a secret unless the physical well-being of the breakee is an immediate concern. This privilege often means that the witness to the breakdown holds the breakee until the tears stop, but that’s also a friend privilege. Nobody else gets to or has to see you cry. I’ve got you.

There’s a special level of confidentiality that transcends their personal and professional relationship. Nobody on Earth has more knowledge on the physiology and medical needs of Kryptonians as Bruce—and that includes Ma and Pa. Possibly the known universe, but it’s still not clear how far Kryptonians traveled and mingled throughout galaxies before their planet was destroyed. Could there be physicians somewhere out there who understand Kryptonian anatomy? Unknown. Possible, but unknown.

The limited knowledge on Earth, though? In this galaxy? It’s by design. There’s no one on Earth with the mind, resources, curiosity, and generosity to learn as much as Bruce does about Kryptonian anatomy, use it for good, and protect the knowledge from bad actors. God forbid someone like Lex Luthor learn any more about Clark than he already knows via DNA-jacking. More importantly? Bruce is the only person on Earth who can feasibly kill Superman if he needs to, and Clark doesn’t trust anyone else to have that knowledge and use it if absolutely necessary.

This all means that Bruce and Clark’s relationship also includes what’s essentially doctor-patient confidentiality. Bruce is the only person Clark can go to when he’s feeling off in a way that can’t be easily addressed, and Bruce would never betray his friend’s trust—both because of the personal implications and the risk to the universe.

This also means that Bruce is tasked with caring for one of the strongest beings in the known universe. He performs Superman’s annual physicals; height, weight, bloodwork, vision, head-to-toe physical exam. He knows what exposure to different light sources and colors do to Superman’s cells. He knows which foods are off-limits because of allergic reactions (Kryptonian anaphylaxis is horrifying), intolerances (Clark indulges in nightshades sparingly; otherwise, he has a tummy ache), or straight up biological incompatibility (Clark can digest literal radioactive waste, but not pork—no, they’re still not sure why; Clark sticks to turkey bacon).

Bruce knows that Superman can catch the flu. It’s a specific strain of flu not found on Earth, but still. It lays Clark out for a week and there’s nothing to do but wait it out with tea and frequent naps. Also? Kryptonian phlegm is a pretty shade of blue when exposed to oxygen.

Bruce knows that under a red sunlight or after prolonged kryptonite exposure, Clark’s actually nearsighted. The glasses he wears everyday are prescription lenses and on a normal day, his eyes adjust when he puts them on. In the event he’s depowered, he’s got what he needs to see clearly. And yes, Bruce came up with this after an unfortunate incident that left Clark squinting at everything until he got some yellow sunlight.

Batman is Superman’s emergency contact on any and all Justice League paperwork. Lois isn’t surprised or insulted. She’d much rather someone with the tools and skills to help Clark with a medical emergency be the first one called. No, I can’t tell you what his blood type is; I don’t even know if his blood works like that. You have to call Batman, but he won’t tell you. He’ll just show up and fix it.

Bruce doesn’t know it, but Batman is recognized as the foremost non-Kryptonian expert in Kryptonian medicine and physiology by an intergalactic board of practitioners. The knowledge is considered lost to time and extinction. If and when the time ever comes that someone in the known universe needs information on the Kryptonian circulatory system or nutrition requirements, they’ll travel to Earth looking for him.

When Alfred snarks about him dropping out of medical school, Bruce just grins. You’re mad I’m not a doctor? I am a doctor, Alfred. An intergalactically recognized medical expert. I’m just on retainer for one very special patient.