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I think one of the funniest abortion stances I've heard was from my parents neighbor. He's a like, hard-core libertarian viking larper guy who is very tall and very fat and very bald.
He believes a fetus is human with a soul, but also its "basically attacking the woman's body" so if she wants to get rid of it, that's "basically self-defense". He compared it to shooting a home invader. So he supports abortion not as healthcare, but as killing a baby in self-defense
Y'know I'm so glad someone reminded me of this. Because this was also discussed.
My stepmother did NOT like the way her Libertarian Viking Neighbor framed pregnancy as the fetus "attacking the woman". She incredulously told him this was extremely disrespectful to expectant mothers to portray pregnancy as so violent and negative.
Libertarian Viking Neighbor's response was that people consensually hurt each other all the time, and "there's like a whole community about that, with the acronym the one that starts with a B" And his reasoning was that if the mother was consenting to bring attacked by the baby, it in fact wasn't violent and negative because there was consent.
He brought up people consensually hurting each other, didn't go for one of the obvious answers like boxing or body mods or something, no he went STRAIGHT TO BDSM and he DIDN'T EVEN REMEMBER THE ACRONYM
Happy Pride! Our favorite Bi4Bi Girlboss x Malewife having a wonderful summer with their little bi/pan sunset. Does the umbrella count as a stealth demi flag? 🤔
"Sure Charlie, I'll make a television commercial for you, that's a brilliant idea to get Vox's attention. He'll be so mad when he sees me doing literally anything with video, he'll be GUARANTEED to come storming to the hotel to fight me within the minute, and at last something ENTERTAINING will happen here. I mean, a brilliant idea to get the word out about the hotel! And I SUPPOSE I can deign just this once to use television instead of radio, if you REALLY insist."
"It's been 20 minutes since the commercial aired and Vox has not come running, I hate everyone in this hotel and refuse to have anything to do with TV ever again"
If your lover lives in Hong Kong and cannot get to Chicago, it will be necessary for you to go to Hong Kong. Perhaps you will spend your life there, and never see Chicago again. And you will, I assure you, as long as space and time divide you from anyone you love, discover a great deal about shipping routes, airlines, earthquake, famine, disease, and war. And you will always know what time it is in Hong Kong, for you love someone who lives there. And love will simply have no choice but to go into battle with space and time and, furthermore, to win.
“but what if you abort the baby who’ll cure cancer?!” sir the baby who will cure cancer is an organic chemistry major who works at a Home Depot because you use AI to go through your resumes
"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." - Stephen Jay Gould, The Panda's Thumb: More Reflections in Natural History
Sure! More Than Anything is actually my favourite song of season 1! It is so sweet and very loaded thematically and character-wise!
I have briefly talked about it in this meta, but here it comes a deeper analysis!
LUCIFER AND CHARLIE: DREAMING OF LOVE
More Than Anything has two main themes that come together in Lucifer and Charlie's relationship:
Love
Dreams
The father-daughter bond is rooted in both. Specifically, they express love through dreams. Or if you prefer, they dream of love.
This is explored in the first two stanzas.
Firstly, Lucifer explains that his dreams were broken:
You didn't know that when I tried this all before
My dreams were too hard to defend
And in the end, I won't lose it all again
And that Charlie is now the only dream left, which is why he will protect her:
Now you're the only thing worth fighting for
More than anything, more than anything
I'll shelter and adore you more than anything
Charlie replies that it was Lucifer who inspired her dreams:
So in the end, it's the view I had of you
That showed me dreams can be worth fighting for
And adds that her dream is for her people to be safe:
More than anything, more than anything
I need to save my people more than anything
So, father and daughter are the opposite and the same.
On the one hand Lucifer believes fighting for dreams isn't worth it (my dreams were too hard to defend). On the other hand Charlie insists that it is (dreams can be worth fighting for). At the same time, Lucifer dreams of protecting (loving) Charlie, whereas Charlie dreams of protecting (loving) all her people. Desperation and microchosm vs hope and macrochosm. This is the root of Lucifer and Charlie's foiling at the beginning of the song. How does this juxtaposition develop? Let's go deeper by exploring some imagery present in the song.
LIGHT AND SHADOW
More Than Anything uses a light/shadow motif to express the two main themes:
Love (1): lights and shadows comment Lucifer and Charlie's bond. They both have been hiding parts of themselves (shadow), but throughout the song they show their true selves (light)
Dreams (2): light is a metaphor of dreams and of how the characters relate to them
1- More than Anything starts with Lucifer and Charlie distant and in the shadows.
They are repressing a lot and have no idea who the other is. Still, as the song goes on, they get to understand each other:
All that I'm hopin',now that my eyes are open
Is that we can start again, not be pulled apart again
'Cause in the end, you are part of who I am
And in the end they embrace in the light.
What is initially in the shadow comes to light. So, Lucifer and Charlie see each other for who they are.
2- Lucifer mentions his past dreams and summons light. However, he throws it away because he has given up on his ideals:
Charlie hurries to pick the light up, just like she is pursuing Lucifer's discarded beliefs with her Hazbin Hotel project. Still, Lucifer stops her and holds her hands. His daughter is his new dream and he is ready to throw everything away, if he can protect her.
This resolution is highlighted in the next sequence:
Lucifer remembers the Elders of Heaven attacking him, then he imagines their weapons pointed at Charlie. Out of fear he drags her away. What's interesting is that Charlie is targeted when she stands in the light, while the moment Lucifer pulls her to safety, she steps into the shadows. The meaning is clear. Lucifer fears that if Charlie takes the spotlight, she will attract Heaven's anger. So, he wants her hidden and sheltered in the shadows. Just like a child. This is why his hug is sweet, but also suffocating:
Charlie wants a different kind of love. She needs the father who inspired her with dreams and stories. Specifically, Charlie remembers a light show Lucifer put up for her on the spot:
This scene is key and it combines the light/shadow symbolism with another motif.
THE UGLY DUCKLING
In their flashback, Lucifer tells Charlie a fairy tale by using light as a medium. The story itself is pretty obvious:
I never dreamed of so much happiness when I was the Ugly Duckling!
A little duck swims in a pool of water, but suddenly grows into a beautiful swan. Lucifer's Ugly Duckling is a metaphor of his situation, as the swan has six seraphim wings and shines at the centre of the universe. Specifically, Lucifer's fairy tale is the inversion of his own story.
Lucifer used to be a beautiful seraphim, but fell from Heaven and lost his family (the angels). He is now stuck in Hell, as a little duck:
Lucifer: Now presenting… the magic-tastical back flipping rubber duck! Haha! That spits fire!
Oh look! Lucifer himself is a magic-tastical duck, who spits fire :P
So, his fairy tale gives a happy ending to his own tragedy. It is a wish. A dream. It indirectly shows how Lucifer has been handling pain and misery by creating. It also suggests that Lucifer puts himself at the centre of his dreams. He is the ugly duckling.
At the same time, Charlie's narration tells us about herself and how she sees her father.
When I was young, I didn't really know you at all
I always felt so small
But I hеard your stories and I was enthralled
Thе tales about your lofty dreams, I listened breathlessly
Imagining it could be me
First of all, Charlie states she never knew who her father was. It is implied Lucifer kept his distance because of depression:
Charlie: We just have never been close. After he and mom split, he never really wanted to see me. He calls, sometimes, but only if he's bored or like needs me to do something.
This is highlighted in Charlie's memory too, as Lucifer appears in a dark study room. Not only that, but he is in the spotlight, while Charlie is in the shadow, which is a metaphor of how she felt distant from him:
Still, Lucifer embraces little Charlie and shows her some light. He reveals a caring and idealistic self that Charlie is initially unaware of. And this version of Lucifer inspires his daughter.
This affirms that Lucifer's dreams aren't useless. Sure, they are left unfulfilled, but they still motivate Charlie. They are why Charlie is who she is. Moreover, Charlie is enchanted by a simple story, not a big manifestation of power. It isn't a theme park or a circus or human free will. It is a short fairy tale Lucifer comes up with in a matter of seconds. No matter how small, a dream always touches dreamers.
Secondly, Charlie sees herself as the protagonist of the story. She wants to be at the centre of her father's universe and to make him proud. Well, Charlie is going to do exactly this. She is Lucifer's dream. She will fulfill his ambitions. She is turning into a beautiful swan.
Lucifer's arc starts when he understands this:
I've been dyin' to find out who you are
I've been waiting, wanting the same thing
Looks like the apple doesn't fall far
Took you a while
I've missed that smile
The King of Hell has been stuck in his own head, consumed by his depression. This is why he is initially alone and surrounded by mediocre rubber ducks. He can't create anything new because he is too focused on himself. The moment he opens his eyes and looks at Charlie, he finds hope again:
I'll support your dream, whatever lies in store
And who could ask for more?
Charlie is his new dream, so he should do his best to help her become who she has the potential to be.
When Charlie is a child, Lucifer tells her a story, where he himself is the protagonist. Now that Charlie is an adult, Lucifer must accept Charlie is the protagonist of her own story. And he must help turning this story into reality. This will be his greatest creation. A duckling becoming a swan. A daughter growing-up.
PASSING THE TORCH
This frame has Lucifer:
Use his light again
Spread his wings
He starts the song by throwing his light away, but ends it by summoning a bigger and brighter torch. Similarly, he starts the episode making rubber ducks out of depression, but ends it with beautiful swan wings.
This metamorphosis happens because Lucifer isn't putting himself at the centre of the universe anymore. Rather, Charlie is his universe.
Lucifer creates a pocket-dimension, which is a bigger version of the fairy-tale of the flashback and has Charlie be its protagonist. He has her play with water, like the little duckling:
And has her fly at the centre of the scene like the swan:
In this scene, he gives her the spotlight, both in how he exits the frame and in how he has the light follow her. Charlie is the swan shining brightly at the centre of Lucifer's world (the circus).
More Than Anything starts with Lucifer desperate and focused on the microchosm. It ends with him finding hope in Charlie, who becomes the key to a bigger and more beautiful reality.
Lucifer's biggest success is that he gave birth to Charlie and showed her the light (dreams), even when he himself felt engulfed by the darkness (hell).
I have two additional thoughts about the song. Specifically about Lucifer and Charlie's initial stanzas:
You didn't know that when I tried this all before
My dreams were too hard to defend
And in the end, I won't lose it all again
Now you're the only thing worth fighting for
More than anything, more than anything
I'll shelter and adore you more than anything
When I was young, I didn't really know you at all
I always felt so small
But I hеard your stories and I was enthralled
Thе tales about your lofty dreams, I listened breathlessly
Imagining it could be me
So in the end, it's the view I had of you
That showed me dreams can be worth fighting for
More than anything, more than anything
I need to save my people more than anything
A- These two stanzas comment on Charlie's main flaw, which is ignorance.
Charlie is ignorant about the world (macrocosm). She has no idea of the struggles she will have to face to realize her dream:
You didn't know that when I tried this all before
My dreams were too hard to defend
Charlie is ignorant about her loved ones (microcosm). She has no idea of who her father is:
When I was young, I didn't really know you at all
I always felt so small
These lyrics also foreshadow "You Didn't Know", where the pattern is repeated.
Charlie is called out over her ignorance about the macrocosm:
Sera: I'm sure you wish it could be so
But, there's a lot that you don't know
And the microcosm:
Adam: Don't you act all high and mighty
Did you ever think your little girlfriend might be a liar?
Vaggie: Don't, Adam, please!
Adam: What's the fuss?
Why hide the fact that you're an angel just like us?
This is an interesting flaw for the Princess of Hell, which ties with the theme of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
This theme is probably the main one of the series, as it complements and supports that of redemption. After all, how can you talk about redemption, if you do not even know what "good" and "evil" are?
So, Charlie as the protagonist embodies the theme:
She is the Fruit of Knowledge, who challenges ideas as old as time. "Maybe leaving Hell isn't impossible", "Maybe it is never too late to change!"
Still, she is also challenged by the theme because her main flaw is "ignorance":
She is ignorant because people keep her in the dark (like Vaggie and Lucifer)
She is ignorant because she decides not to look too deeply into things (like Vaggie clearly hiding something from her, or Angel's struggles)
She is ignorant because she is naive and has no understanding of good and evil
Finally, she is ignorant about herself because she refuses to face her own feelings and contradictions
Charlie's many shades of ignorance come together beautifully in her deal with Alastor:
Alastor: Your soul? Heavens, no. All I need from you is one itty-bitty favor. What's a favor between friends?
Charlie: I won't hurt anyone for you.
Alastor: Who's asking! One favor, at a time of my choosing, where you harm no one. In return, I tell you what I know. Do we have a deal?
Charlie: Deal.
Alastor is keeping Charlie in the dark about his ulterior motives
Alastor is one of Charlie's loved ones, but she decides to ignore his darkest side
Alastor's deal takes advantage of Charlie's childish understanding of "good" and "evil". After all, "hurting others" is bad, so if Charlie puts a condition where she hurts nobody, it will be good, right?
Through Alastor, Charlie might come to discover something new about herself; like her own weakness, fragility and hurt.
B- Lucifer and Charlie's two initial and opposite stanzas are interesting in relation to their arcs and to the relationship father and daughter share.
On the one hand Lucifer affirms his love for Charlie (the microcosm):
Now you're the only thing worth fighting for
More than anything, more than anything
I'll shelter and adore you more than anything
He has given up his ideals in exchange of one single precious relationship. He is an idealist, which has been let down too many times and has given up hope.
On the other hand Charlie sings of her love for her people (the macrocosm):
That showed me dreams can be worth fighting for
More than anything, more than anything
I need to save my people more than anything
She has no relationship with her dad, but is connected to him through her dream. She is an idealist so enamored with her dreams, she forgets she needs to accept people as they are, rather than their idealized versions.
Well, thankfully they are able to grow through each other:
Thanks to his love for Charlie, Lucifer finds a way back to his dreams. Not only this, but his bond with his daughter (microcosm) works as a bridge towards the Sinners (macrocosm). So, he ends the season not only saving Charlie, but also his people. The Finale has him singing to Charlie together with her new found family of Sinners:
Thanks to her dream and her love for the people (macrocosm), Charlie finds a way back to her dad (microcosm). After all, if she were not so determined to fulfill her dream, Charlie would not have called Lucifer and the two would not have reconciled:
Vaggie: Maybe it's time-
Charlie: NO.
Vaggie: to ask-
Charlie: DON'T SAY IT.
Vaggie: your dad.
Vaggie: Charlie, I know you don't want to, but we need every advantage we can get.
Charlie: He let the extermination happen to begin with. They just had a meeting and said, "Go ahead and kill everyone!"- Wait. That's it!
Vaggie: Kill everyone?
Charlie: No! He could get me a meeting with Heaven!
In short, both Lucifer and Charlie are dreamers, who need to better communicate with people and they do so also thanks to each other. I will add both need to connect with the macrocosm (Hell's society/the universe), the microcosm (their loved ones) and the self (who they are). Still, they seem to be going at it in opposite ways:
Charlie starts with her strong love for ideals and people (macrocosm) to slowly learn more about loved ones (microcosm) and discover something about herself through them (the self)
Lucifer starts with his strong love for Charlie (microcosm), who helps him reconnect with his dream and people (macrocosm), so that he can save himself by helping them (the self)
In short, they are two dreamers who need to learn in different ways that dreams are empty without people. Really an excellent and exciting foiling for me!
I have some new thoughts on More Than Anything aka the gift that keeps on giving :P
Let's focus on the final part of the song:
Both: All that I'm hopin', now that my eyes are open
Is that we can start again- not be pulled apart again
'Cause in the end, you are part of who I am
Lucifer: I'll support your dream, whatever lies in store
Charlie: And who could ask for more?
Lucifer: More than anything (Charlie: More than anything)
More than anything (Charlie: More than anything)
Both: I'm grateful you're (Lucifer: my daughter/Charlie: my father) more than anything
More than anything
First of all, I think this finale is why so many people are deeply touched by this musical piece.
In particular, there are two phrases that hit very hard:
Both: 'Cause in the end, you are part of who I am
This expression sums up familial relationships very well. In the end, we don't choose our parents or our family. Still, they end up becoming parts of who we are, for better or worse.
Both: I'm grateful you're (Lucifer: my daughter/Charlie: my father) more than anything
The fact Charlie and Lucifer don't say out loud they love each other is why their affection comes out stronger imo. The idea of being grateful for someone is deeply touching and resonates more than a generic "I love you".
Secondly, these two phrases are very important for both Charlie and Lucifer's stories.
A- 'CAUSE IN THE END, YOU ARE PART OF WHO I AM
This line addresses Charlie and Lucifer's foiling, which is probably going to be key for both characters.
For Charlie
Lucifer is Charlie's jaded possible future self. He represents how Charlie could become if her dreams were broken and if she failed to address her flaws. This itself creates an interesting dynamic between father and daughter.
On the one hand Charlie obviously loves Lucifer deeply. On the other hand I don't think she necessarily looks up to him.
In general, the series makes it abundantly clear the parent Charlie is trying to emulate is Lilith:
Charlie: Don't worry, Mom. I'll make you proud.
Charlie: Oh, I wish my mom were here to see this.
Charlie: I miss her, too. But she'd be proud of me, you think?
Charlie: But it's not okay. I got so caught up in all the drama and my mom. Look, this hotel was my way of finishing what she started, and I think I've been trying so hard to hold on to it because if I can make it work, maybe she'd be… proud of me.
Charlie: Overall, things are going great. I'm great, I just... wish you were here. Vox tried to convince me your dream was different than I remember, but if you could just... see this. I think you'd be really proud. Dad's proud. Anyway, I love you, Mom. Give me a call when you can. Bye.
The Hazbin Hotel is born as a way to fulfill Lilith's dream
Charlie wants to empower people with her voice like Lilith does
Charlie wants to become the kind of leader Lilith is
Charlie's idealization of Lilith runs so deeply she would excuse her mom for the same behavior she condemns her dad for:
Vaggie: Did you hear from your mom yet? (...) Oof… how long has it been now?
Charlie: Not that long, only...seven....years, off doing something important, I'm sure!
Charlie: No, we just have never been close. After he and mom split, he never really wanted to see me. He calls... sometimes, but only if he's bored or like, needs me to do something.
In short, I think the story so far hints Charlie might be projecting her positive feelings for her family on Lilith and her negative ones on Lucifer. Still, there is a tiny little problem:
ITS CRAZY LIKE THERES LIKE NOTHING OF LILITH IN THIS CHILD. LUCIFERS DUMBASS GENES MUST BE SO STRONG
(A random text comment during Charlie's TV interview in episode 4)
She is Lucifer's spitting image :P Season 2 makes it abundantly clear when it comes to Charlie and Lucifer's flaws. Every flaw Charlie has, you can find it up to eleven in Lucifer.
Both Charlie and Lucifer don't listen to others. Charlie doesn't listen to Vaggi and her loved ones. Lucifer doesn't listen to Charlie (he struggles to focus on what her dream truly is), his loved ones (he is ghosting the Sins) and his subjects.
Both Charlie and Lucifer have deep self-issues and put up performances to appear more self-assured than they are.
Both Charlie and Lucifer are very childish and project this childishness on others. Charlie projects it on the Sinners and Lucifer projects it on Charlie and the Sinners. Both make this clear in Speedrun To Redemption and VOX POPULI that share a teacher-student metaphor:
Charlie: Step one, say you'll get it done
Make redemption your resolution
Angel Dust: Fine
Charlie: Step two, bid the booze adieu (Angel Dust: Hey!)
A sober mind's primed for absolution
Step three, dignity!
Try dressing more modestly!
Step four, feed the poor!
Demon: Hey, ain't you that fancy whore?
Charlie: Five, six, seven, eight
Lucifer: You're actin' out
Like you want teacher's attention
Well, I'm the principal of this eternal detention
I hope you had your fun, but son
It's time to ring the bell
Finally, both Charlie and Lucifer have the tendency to withdraw from a conflict when they feel they hurt the other person:
Vaggie: I took charge today and it all went sideways. I'm supposed to make your dreams a reality. I'm supposed to protect you. I'm supposed to never fail you.
Charlie: You didn't fail me. Vaggie, you're not-you're not-
Vaggie: If I can't help you, what's the point of me?
Charlie: Vaggie, don't say that! You do so much! It's-
Vaggie: I'm sorry. I'd... I'd like to be alone for a minute.
Charlie leaves Vaggi alone without addressing Vaggi's insecurities or the red flags she exhibits in 1x3.
Angel Dust: I didn't want you to come here. I already asked you to leave and you didn't listen. You made things worse.
Charlie: I just wanted to help you-
Angel Dust: Well, you ain't! You actually want to help me?! Get the fuck out of here! Right now. and let me finish my work...
Charlie: I... I didn't... mean to! I... I'm... I'm so sorry!
Charlie leaves Angel in Valentino's hands, after Angel lashes out at her in 1x4. Later on she fails to properly address the argument.
Charlie: I think you should leave, Dad. You have fucked things up for me enough.
Lucifer: Okay.
Lucifer leaves the Hazbin Hotel the moment Charlie lashes out at him in 2x5.
Sure, this may not be a flaw per se, but I think it speaks of Charlie and Lucifer's deep insecurity. I will also highlight that in all these examples Charlie and Lucifer standing their ground could have solved many problems:
If Charlie had addressed Vaggi's strange behavior, she could have discovered Vaggi's origin early on.
If Charlie had spoken with Angel about Valentino, rather than taking Angel's angry performance at face value, she could have helped Angel more.
If Lucifer had chosen to stay and support Charlie despite her outburst, he could have helped her psychologically and he would not have been caught by Vox.
In short, Lucifer represents an extreme version of Charlie. This is why our princess struggles with him. He unconsciously reminds her of her flaws and limitations. This becomes clear in 2x5, where Charlie gets angry at Lucifer:
Charlie: He ruined everything is what happened! The angels were here to set things right, but thanks to him— and, apparently, you— Vox was able to spin it, again!
Here, Charlie's anger is irrational. Sure, Lucifer (and Vaggi) fucked up, but they are not responsible for Vox's declaration of war. If anything, Sera and Charlie herself are much more responsible for this development. Not only that, but Sera does exactly what Lucifer did. They both use their angelic powers to bluff and threaten Vox, but it backfires. Still, Charlie insists that Sera was "trying to make things right", while Lucifer's action is unforgivable. Obviously, here Charlie is projecting badly on her dad. She can't address her own flaws, so he makes him a psychological scapegoat. This is understandable considering that Lucifer is a bad dad and a bad king. Still, it does not change that here Charlie is not being fair to him. At the same time, it is also obvious Lucifer (and the others) leaving deeply affects Charlie:
Charlie: And maybe she'd (Lilith would) come back and tell me what I did to make her leave. But all I've done is drive everyone away. Sir Pentious, Husk, Alastor, my dad. Everybody leaves.
She reads everyone disappearing as her fault because of the abandonment issues that stem from Lilith's disappearance. When it comes specifically to Lucifer and Charlie, this dynamic gets even more interesting.
On the one hand Charlie asks Lucifer to leave, but deep down she obviously does not want him to. In this context, Lucifer leaving is not good for her. Charlie is a child that thinks she is not enough for her parents to stay, so her dad leaving after she "behaves badly" is bound to reinforce this self-perception.
On the other hand Lucifer leaves because deep down he thinks he has nothing to offer to Charlie. Lucifer has internalized he is a failure, bad and useless for others. Still, this is itself a selfish behavior. A father should be able to prioritize their child's well-being over their insecurity. This also means being able to see when your child needs you, despite them saying the opposite.
In short, Charlie and Lucifer's fight in season 2 hints at deeper issues going on with both characters. It also shows how deep down Charlie and Lucifer do not know each other nor themselves very well. This is why the moments where they communicate, like More Than Anything and 2x1, are usually rewarding for both.
When it comes to Charlie, to speak with her dad lets her express buried truths about herself.
More Than Anything is so far the only moment where she admits to herself she has been positively influenced by Lucifer:
Charlie: When I was young, I didn't really know you at all
I always felt so small
But I hеard your stories and I was enthralled
Thе tales about your lofty dreams, I listened breathlessly
Imagining it could be me
So in the end, it's the view I had of you
That showed me dreams can be worth fighting for
More than anything, more than anything
I need to save my people more than anything
Usually Charlie would say her dream is really Lilith's dream. However, in the song she admits she shares her idealistic predisposition with her dad.
2x1 is the first time so far that Charlie asks Lucifer for advice on her own:
Charlie: Dad, how do you deal with all the stress of being in charge of things?
Sure, Lucifer is not particularly useful on a practical level :P. Still, he is able to be there for Charlie psychologically, which lets Charlie open up about the many feelings she has been repressing. Specifically, she is able to open up about Lilith and father and daughter are able to bond over their feelings of insecurity and hurt:
Charlie: Mom would know what to do. She was always so good at this. Staying calm, being the voice of the people. Being the center of attention with everyone looking to her, to follow her. Ignoring meaningless things. And people.
Lucifer: Yep. She was, uh, so good at that.
Charlie: Do you miss her?
Lucifer: Oh, yeah. Every second of every day. For the past... what is it, almost eight years?
Charlie: I miss her, too. But she'd be proud of me, you think?
Lucifer: Oh, honey. She'd be so proud of you. Are you kidding? At least, I'd hope so. Hey, hey. Just take a deep breath, okay? The show must go on, Charlie. And you were born for this spotlight.
Charlie: Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Dad. For being here.
Basically by seeing Lucifer being vulnerable, Charlie is able to be vulnerable, as well.
In conclusion, Charlie needs Lucifer to face some hard and unwelcomed truths about herself and who she could become, if she fails to grow up.
For Lucifer
Charlie is Lucifer's young idealistic self. She represents a part of himself the King of Hell needs to re-discover. Let's focus on this a bit more in the upcoming section.
B- I'M GRATEFUL YOU'RE MY DAUGHTER MORE THAN ANYTHING
This line is extremely powerful when we consider Lucifer's character.
Lucifer is the Devil and he is the Devil specifically because he loses "his ability to dream":
Charlie: Ashamed, Lucifer lost his will to dream.
The Story of Hell frames Lucifer's loss of hope as the reason why he goes from angel (light) to demon (fire).
This choice is great both on an existential level (loss of dreams) and on a theological level (loss of faith). So, Lucifer needs to find hope again and More Than Anything is his starting point. This might be why the Hazbin Hotel in this song looks a lot like a broken church:
The light choices and the focus on the broken glass-windows remind me of the atmosphere in a cathedral.
Lucifer has no hope anymore, but thanks to Charlie's idealism he is able to rediscover a fragment of it. So, in the finale of the song he says he is grateful for his daughter. When we say we are grateful for something in our life we are indirectly referring to some higher entity, be it God or destiny or even luck. So, for Lucifer to say he is "grateful" is especially sweet when considering his religious motif and inspiration. In More Than Anything Lucifer starts to rediscover "dreams" and "faith".
At the same time, it is obvious Lucifer has still a long way to go. Season 2 makes it very clear. Lucifer does want to support Charlie's dream:
Lucifer: I'll support your dream, whatever lies in store
Charlie: And who could ask for more?
But he struggles to fully understand it:
Lucifer: Yeah, nobody cares, man! Look, uh, I don't know what you're planning, but it won't work, okay? You're garbage. That's why you're in Hell. You were a failure in life, and you're a failure now. Okay?
In a sense, it is not really Charlie's dream that resonates with him. Rather it is the idea Charlie dreams strongly about something. This is what gets to Lucifer and what Lucifer can fully relate to.
So, Lucifer sees Charlie crying on the ruins of her hotel and he relates strongly to her:
After all, he too has seen his dream destroyed.
At the same time, Lucifer sees Vox's room and he readily welcomes it as Charlie's new aesthetic:
Lucifer: You know? The whole serial aesthetic is... new. But, uh, you know, whatever you're into. Got to follow those dreams, right?
The implication is that Lucifer would happily accept Charlie's dream whatever it is. Be it saving Sinners or killing everyone :P
This inability to fully feel or empathize obviously stems from deep trauma:
Lucifer: Charlie? Your father has arrived. Ready to give you a... just a big 'ol a-papa-pology. I am so sorry, Charlie. Please don't give up on me.
Lucifer is a broken person, which is why his behavior appears highly contradictory. In a sense, he is built on a bunch of contradictions:
He wants to spoil and take care of Charlie, but he is a neglectful and absent father
He doesn't want Charlie to go to Heaven, but he is the one who indirectly introduces her to Adam
He is one of the most powerful beings in Hell, but won't use his power and feels deep down powerless
He is a dreamer, but can't dream anymore
He tells Charlie he will support her dreams, but he isn't able to imagine Sinners being "good"
He supposedly "hates" Sinners, but is deeply in love with one
He is a caring guy personality-wise, but he can't bring himself to fully care about others
He loves deeply, but is very selfish
He is motivated by his relationships, but runs away from them
It's as if there are two people in Lucifer and this happens because he hates himself so much he isn't sure of his own instincts and feelings. He is so terrified to hurt himself and others that he refuges into passivity.
Through his relationship with Charlie, Lucifer is meant to face and solve these contradictions. He needs to forgive himself, so that he can truly love the Sinners and Charlie without selfishness or guilt. To do so he needs to reconnect with his younger more idealistic self Charlie clearly resembles.
FATHER, DAUGHTER AND NO HOLY SPIRIT
As a conclusion to this post, let me add I find the possible religious allusions of Charlie and Lucifer very interesting.
Charlie alludes to Jesus
Jesus is God's son, who is sent to Earth to redeem humanity
Charlie is the Devil's daughter, who is trying to redeem humanity in Hell
Adam: Risking your immortal life for sinners? That's some crazy shit, even for Lucifer's brat! Charlie: These sinners are my family!
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (John 15:13)
Both are saviors, who are meant to fix the original sin. Both face off against rigid systems and juxtapose to many complicated laws one simple rule:
You're gonna fight without gloves
And when that push comes to shove
Yeah, you just might rise above
Long as you're out for love
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. (John 4:7)
Both offer love and acceptance even to the most wretched people, as they strongly believe these people are more than their mistakes:
Sir Pentious: Who could forgive a dirtbag like me?
I don't deserve your amnesty
Angel Dust and Vaggie: Can't we just kill him?
Shoot him and spill his blood?
Charlie: That's an… option you could choose
Angel Dust and Vaggie: Works for us!
Charlie: But, who hasn't been in his shoes?
It starts with sorry!
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. (John 8:7-11)
Lucifer alludes to God the Father (little emphasis on God and much emphasis on father :P)
Lucifer may not be the God of the Hellaverse, but he is Hell's Greatest Dad (or he should strive to be). This is why he has so many "daddy jokes":
Husk: I have three "Torments and Tonics", four "Virgin Sacrifice" Piña Coladas, and something called a "Harder Daddy"? A frame of a disturbed Lucifer is shown in the background.
Katie: Welcome back to me, I'm here with Charlie Morningstar, homosexual daughter of our big old devil daddy and founder of the Hazbin Hotel...
Lucifer: Aw, call me Daddy. Wait, no, don't- call me Lu. What, now-- What is it you need?
Lucifer: ...it is my time to daddy up!
On a deeper level, Lucifer is linked to the idea of creation ("A remedial creation from me! It's as easy as can be!") and he "created/gave birth" to Hell, the Hellborns (together with the other Sins) and the Sinners (through the fruit of knowledge). In short, Lucifer's arc is intertwined with fatherhood, both when it comes to the Sinners and to Charlie. As a result, he plays the part of both humanity's dad (God the Father) and Jesus's dad (Joseph).
He directly compares himself to God the Father in VOX POPULI ("I am almost a god").
Here come two examples.
I am a living aspect of the infinite!
To be "a living aspect of the infinite" means to be god's incarnation (even if I personally headcanon it as him "being on the spectrum" 'cause Lucifer's subtext is kinda obvious :P).
The mortal world is scared to say my name
This is similar to the Second Commandment "Don't take the lord's name in vain."
He is linked to carpentry since his introduction and Joseph is a carpenter in the Bible:
Why do we have these religious allusions when it comes to the Morningstars (pretty sure Lilith is going to have hers too :P)?
I think the point is that the story is going to explore and deconstruct these religious motifs.
Charlie is not Jesus and Lucifer is not God, no matter how much they want to be. Not only that, but daughter and father's desire to be mystical saviors is what gets in their way. I think both Charlie's present desire and Lucifer's past desire to help are genuine. Still, they also think they have to do it at their own conditions/on their own. Only in this way they will matter and get recognition from their parents (Charlie) and their community (Lucifer). Still, this is wrong because in the end Charlie and Lucifer can't save humanity. Humanity needs to save itself. Charlie and Lucifer can only contribute not as all-powerful beings, but as simple people.
Season 2 starts tackling this theme.
Charlie realizes she doesn't need/can't do everything on her own. She won't save everyone with her voice. Everyone will save themselves through their inner music:
Everyone: In perfect harmony
We'll change our destiny
And many years from now, if any live to hear this song
The story about how we learned together
We are strong
It began with just one note!
A crescendo 'til the end
No matter what it takes!
Hear my hope!
What Charlie can do is to give everyone the chance to sing and to sing along.
At the same time, it is possible Charlie's wish to be "Hell's Great Savior" will be challenged again in the future:
Lute: You think you're Hell's great savior? (Dominus)
Will you still when I return the favor? (Ignis)
Lucifer is called out by his subjects in VOX POPULI:
Vox: Meanwhile this "king" thinks all of us peasants should be satisfied with an endless existence of suffering!
Lucifer: Wh-Whoa. Wait, hold on-
Vox: Tell me, Hell, are you satisfied!? (Sinners: No!)
Your wife knew it was wrong, Lu!
Maybe that's why she's not around anymore!
Lucifer:You mouthy little mortal!
Vox: Here it comes!
Smite me! Silence me!
That's all you angels know how to do!
And when he fails to listen he is caught and humiliated further:
By the end, the Sinners harmonize in one voice and find god-like strength (Vox populi, vox Dei). Symbolically, their combined efforts are able to overcome Lucifer's power, stop the cannon from blowing up and save Lucifer. The question is now if Lucifer will be able to repay them or not.
At the same time, Jesus and God the Father's story may still be meaningful for Charlie and Lucifer.
Jesus and God's story is that of a deity that makes himself human through his son to understand and save humanity.
Charlie and Lucifer's story is that of a secluded cosmic being that learns about humanity (both in himself and outside himself) through his child. Charlie will be Lucifer's Jesus in how she will help her dad empathize with people, while discovering she herself is just a person.