Skelecausal

A dude with no guts and a bone to pick.

[feminismisstillahatemovement]

The unchecked female drive to actively search out and attain the position of 'victim' for financial gain, support and popularity has increasingly worsened all aspects of western society over the past few decades, by, amongst other things, removing all basic and necessary moral values and replacing them with a class-based political ideology telling everyone they are part of an oppressed group at war with all others. The damage this has done to trust, goodness and community is incalculable.

Which might seem a rather heavy commentary to add to such a routine 'celebrity' tabloid post, but that's ultimately what is actually occurring here.

[emmaubler]

Girl, I would be vaguely ashamed I spent my twenties shacking up with Hugh Hefner for a life of luxury and six years of own reality show, but come on now.

Becuase victimhood is currency, there's a subgenre of entertainment reporting where old stars air their grievances about decades past projects for clicks, and it honestly just comes off as grasping and petty.

[generallemarc]

Only thing to add is that this is not a "female" drive, but rather the potential for greed present in all humans manifesting in ways that are overwhelmingly open to women only. There are plenty of men who willingly put themselves in awful situations for cash too, you just don't see them as often in tabloids because those wouldn't sell as well.

[skelecausal]

Also like, how did she not expect weird sex acts happening all the time at the fucking Playboy Mansion? Did she just think that everyone just sat around a fireplace drinking lemonade before and after the shoots?

[the-grey-tribe]

Jason Schreier is extremely meticulous in his journalism-as-journalism, in his investigations of and into the games industry. Jason Schreier is extremely partisan in his opinions of games, opinions of people, and his predictions.

That means you can trust everything he says about the inner workings of Bioware in one of his published pieces, you can trust him whenever he badmouths progressive colleagues, whenever he points out structural problems in games journalism, whenever he said he liked a game in spite of its problematic message.

You just can't trust his tweets, his opinions of whether games are fun, his predictions of whether a game will sell well, or his prediction of whether the sales of a game will be enough to break even or even justify a sequel. On any matter of opinion, on any judgment call, you can't trust Jason Schreier if there is any culture war angle at all.

But you also can't take Jason Schreier and just believe the opposite of whatever he says on BlueSky.

Anyway, is there any culture war angle to Blue Prince? Is it any good?

[siryouarebeingmocked]

Isn't this the same guy who failed to disclose his relationship with Zoe Quinn?

[moderate-irritation]

No, that was Nathan Grayson. Schreier is the guy who once said on NeoGAF that the Dragon's Crown character designs appealed to "lolicon fantasies."

You know, all those lolicons who love adult women with massive boobs.

[siryouarebeingmocked]

Ah.

[skelecausal]

Schrier also deliberately waited until the Blizzard sexual assault allegations became public to announce that he knew about it for years because he was busy collecting material for a book about it

[rjaybaron]

[otakuvampyre]

And despite what people like to delude themselves of: it was Britian who ended the trans Atlantic Slave Trade, and America that got the ball rolling on the trend of abolishing slavery. We weren't the first to officially ban it, but we were the ones who started the trend.

Folks need to stop going all noble-savage when it comes to slavery and its history across the planet.

[turtleduck-inc]

the arab slave trade also historically had a significantly higher rate of slaves just kind of dying on them than the trans atlantic trade.

[skelecausal]

IIRC the reason there isn't a large black population in the Middle East due to the slave trade is that the men were usually castrated. Which is also why the numbers for the Arab Slave trade are so much larger: the population needed to be replenished.

[gearboxpraexology]

Biden diagnosed with ‘aggressive form’ of prostate cancer | CNN Politics

Former President Joe Biden was diagnosed with an “aggressive form” of prostate cancer, according to a statement from his personal office Sun

Finally some good news in 2025!

[dittography-direwolf]

"What's the least brain-related thing we could have him die of?"

[wageronancap]

"diagnosed with prostate cancer" he was a prostate cancer for decades, shit ain't news

[anarchpunk]

Very likely announcing it now despite being diagnosed long ago.

[skelecausal]

Quite possible that his initial diagnosis was one of the main motivators for Biden to drop out of the race.

[gsirvitor]

[siryouarebeingmocked]

I think I'm missing the joke.

[skelecausal]

The joke is that one is saying free as in "no longer slaves", and the other is saying free as in "costs nothing to purchase".

2 very diametrically opposed views. Thus the conflict.

[arynneva]

wait do people read first person stories and think they're the ones in the story???

Saw people talking about not liking first person, which is fair, but their reasoning was like "I would not do that" and I don't understand that mindset.

First person stories are still about a character. A character making their own decisions. First person isn't about you???? At least I thought it wasn't. What am I missing? I've always seen first person as just a more in-depth look into a character's mind and stricter POV. Not as a reader stand-in.

[mecharose]

I see first person stories like I'm sitting down across from the narrator getting the wildest tea imaginable

[arynneva]

Most accurate way to read a first person story

[disgruntledexplainer]

the story: "My name is marco; I can shapeshift into animals because a centaur alien gave me a glowing cube, and I use this power to fight tiny alien slugs that infect people's brains."

Them, for some reason: "clearly this book is written from MY perspective."

[2urban2fantasy-deactivated20241]

I think it’s just the further degradation of people’s brains. I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy nut but between the abject failure of the education system and the rise of brain melting social media we are just not mentally where we should be

[disgruntledexplainer]

saying that the education system is failing or that social media is messing with people's heads is not a conspiracy theory, it's just facts. a conspiracy theory would be saying that the present state of things was intentionally engineered for this specific purpose other than profit by a conspiracy of [insert random group here], hence the name conspiracy theory.

a world where people have to preface that they aren't a conspiracy theorist for pointing out that society has problems is a dangerous world indeed.

[siryouarebeingmocked]

Some people reading first person POV, apparently;

[skelecausal]

More like

[la-laborista-republiko]

[techno-gal-deactivated20191104]

Please do not pass this by without reading it

[nandalorian]

Louder for the people in the back: No sympathy, no quarter, and no mercy

[projectxa3]

Don’t forget No Peace. Don’t give them a fucking minute.

[politicalantibody]

Do not be afraid to label someone a Nazi if the shoe fits. Then feel free to punch them in the face or kick them in the balls. Just to make them understand that they are not welcome in the public square.

[minmaneth]

This is what Nazism and therefore punching Nazis is about.

[thathopeyetlives]

You realize that “no quarter” is literally a war crime, right? This kind of aggressive attitude checks a surprising number of boxes for the Characteristics of Ur-Fascism even though it’s clearly something very different (but similarly dangerous) to fascism.

I think this person would change their tune if it was other oppressive ideologies such as Communism or atheist supremacy on the chopping block. Anyway, physical force doesn’t automatically let you defeat people you can’t defeat rhetorically, if a chunk of the population supports them you’re in trouble *either way*. People who rarely actually use violence are always treating it like it’s magic.

(also, the OP gets a gold star for only referring to Nazis as Nazis. This level of restraint is rarely seen today.)

[isaacsapphire]

Conceives of the world as a struggle between races, which have certain characteristics which are passed on through blood and have connection to a land? Who today would ever think such a thing?/s

[morlock-holmes]

Are Nazis people?

[isaacsapphire]

If by “people” you mean, “biologically bipedal mammals from the genius Homo” obviously yes, they’re not beara or cats. If you mean “people” to mean “ possessing agency and moral responsibility” also yes. If what you are getting at is, “is it morally a good to hurt and kill humans who hold certain beliefs?” the very obvious response is, “What the heck is wrong with you, that you want so much to be told that there’s a belief that a human being could peacefully hold that would legitimize your thirst for violence.”

[myfootyrthroat]

How about we just constantly make Nazis justify why they shouldn’t get punched?

[iteratedextras]

You’re saying I should punch left-wing “whiteness” theorists - or rather force them to continually explain why they shouldn’t be punched?

Like, let’s check the list here…

racial blood guilt (no European-descended person is free from the stain of ‘colonialism’, even the ones from countries that didn’t have colonies)

racial essences (“whiteness”)

blood ties to the land (“indigeneity,” “decolonization”)

jobs for people inside the group and not for people outside the group (“race conscious” hiring policies)

other resources for people inside the identity group and not for people outside the group (crank racial medical rationing) (we should also note that for the Nazis it wasn’t enough to merely cut state funding like libertarians/ancaps)

“it doesn’t count when we hurt the race we hate, because the race we hate are much more powerful than we are” (“it’s impossible to be racist to white people”)

“there are too many of this racial group in key industries and positions of power; this is evidence that they are engaged in unfair racial collusion and should be punished”

“the race I hate are inherently epistemically compromised - no test or measure they devise can possibly prove their innocence and that they shouldn’t be punished” (theories in which conventional theories of knowledge are falsely deemed “white supremacist”)

As far as I can tell, it’s close the same content structurally. It just doesn’t have, for instance, the same bits about conquering Poland and some other factors focused on fighting and winning interstate conflict (such as Natalism).

Like, when people were doing weird gender war bullshit (like “manspreading” discourse) I grudgingly continued political support, but when they switched over to “it’s impossible to be racist to white people” I noped the fuck out, because that shit is fucked up and there is no good reason to say that (outside of use/mention).

Like, power does not work that way!

Power relations are fundamentally modeled as between individuals, with race as a statistical abstraction (a “social construct,” if you will), which means that an individual of any race could be destroyed by the racialized relations in their environment, because any individual human being can be killed by a strong enough blow to the head.

And to the degree that “whiteness” theorists continue to support this kind of thinking, it contributes to estimates of racial conflict.

[siryouarebeingmocked]

I like the part where OPe implies everyone will suddenly think Nazis are just fine and dandy if people don’t commit acts of terrorism against them.

I have to wonder what he thinks was happening to their rep before that one dude punched Richard Spencer. After Trump got elected. The accusation of being a Nazi was literally used to try and bring him down, and it backfired because many people stopped believing the obvious nonsense.

If people are “neutral to positive” on Nazis, maybe that’s because the left cried wolf for over two years by that point. Maybe people didn’t trust the label.

Especially when it’s been so nakedly abused.

myfootyrthroat>How about we just constantly make Nazis justify why they shouldn’t get punched?

So you want to apply a label to people that justifies any violence against them, and you want to be able to use this label without question or criticism. As an utterly unimpeachable authority.

You know who that reminds me of…?

[judarud]

I love how the tweet thread slowly starts fitting a lot of the characteristics of nazism as it goes on. It demands people notnto think, very quickly at that.

[bizarrolord-deactivated20241123]

Authoritarians are shitheads no matter what side of the political spectrum they’re on.

[miss-rum-hee]

how much are you willing to bet that the same idiots saying “punch a nazi” are now cheering on actual terrorists?

[the-catboy-minyan]

do people realise that “no sympathy, no peace, don’t give them a fucking minute” is literally treating Nazism as a slur? unless the person is proudly walking around with a swatsika and calls themselves a Nazi, this mentality would mean that you are dismissing and shunning any person you perceive as being a Nazi, without actually taking a critical look and understanding if they are or not.

Nazism isn’t just fascism, it’s a very specific and harmful ideology, that most people don’t even understand the depth of, looking at someone you perceive as fascistic and immediately calling them a Nazi and threatening violence is treating Nazism as a slur.

also, it’s been proven time and time again that hostility towards someone based on their radicalized opinion only does more to radicalize them, cults send their believers to knock on doors to get them to see the hostility towards them compared to the “open and welcoming” environment of the cult, bigots see a trans or black person getting angry about the mistreatment that they believed is acceptable and be like “what a bitch, how dare they scream at me, it’s proof that theyre all evil”, terfs see JKR getting harassed online and think it’s an attack on women, toxic men see feminists get mad at their “nice guy” routine and respond by calling them a whore. you don’t do self reflection in a hostile environment. when someone attacks your world views, you deflect, you blame, and you fall deeper to your beliefs. I’m not saying “have a nice afternoon chat with a Nazi over tea and biscuits and tell them racism is wrong”, I’m saying the “punch a Nazi” mentality of immediately punching anyone you perceive as a Nazi is only helping with radicalizing them more.

so way to piss on the poor everyone, good job.

[hamstergetten]

Those kind of people will never accept people who are not Nazi have been called such.

[syabm]

Or they go “eh, close enough” or “it was their fault for being so Nazi-like”.

[yourtoradorasextendedwarranty]

Effectively yes. Just a reminder that prior to Richard Spencer being punched? Almost no one of note knew who he was. Afterwards? His image and person blew up on social media. He was now a literal figure head free to spread his message on a world stage so because the left couldn’t NOT be violent for 5 min.

And to parrot Sir from above. You cried wolf far too many times. The term is basically dead because of you morons. Remember this scene?

Yeah. You basically pulled this. You idiots are basically Syndrome here. Except unlike him? You didn’t do it intentionally. You did it by being stupid

[disgruntled-foreign-patriarch]

The further and further I read, the more I thought “ohhh he’s a lib angry about people who disagree with him”

[bookwormdan]

Actually I think that talking with a Nazi over tea and biscuits may do more good than not, there was the case of Daryl Davis, the black man who had dinner and talked with various kkk members. After talking with him 200 kkk members gave up their robes and stopped being klansmen. Seems to me that having a conversation and some good food can go a long way .

[siryouarebeingmocked]

And he said antifa yelled at him, probably because he made them look bad by, uh, being effective.

One antifa supporter told me I shouldn’t bring up Davis as a good example of how to fight Nazis because “Most people do not have, and never will have, the capacity to talk bigots out of their bigotry with a kind and compassionate approach.”

What, and terrorism is a better option? Even when it keeps backfiring, and makes “Nazi” accusations look less and less credible?

Especially when I get called a “Nazi apologist” for saying “I think there are more effective ways to fight Nazis”, even though I’m a black immigrant?

Just doing nothing would be less harmful.

[skelecausal]

I skipped to the end after my eyes glazed over reading the tweet thread and saw him advocate only calling people nazis if they match the ideology, only to then read the replies talking about calling all their opponents nazis.

[siryouarebeingmocked]

>obtuse little contrarian edgeboy

Ah, yes, disagreeing with someone making racist assumptions about you is "edgy" and "contrarian", instead of normal. The white kid couldn't actually, honestly disagree.

He should just shut up and let the smug black person preach at him.

The black kid totally isn't

ing.

I also like how someone edited the comic to say the black person meant something that was a) clearly not meant by the original, and b) still wrong.

Because the original assumption in the non-edited omic (and the actual people it satirizes) implies white people can't "really" understand racism because they've never faced it.

Incidentally, some random progressive just couldn't handle the idea that a black non-American minority could disagree with progressives, and said I was really an American white supremacist.

Not to my face, of course.

I posted a selfie.

He never responded.

[doom-ocean]

The second version of the comic is a good example of how The Left™ is incapable of being succinct, to the point, and honest.

[skelecausal]

[agentwashed]

um

[skelecausal]

Me after sleeping in that position

[bowlby4]

[libertbill]

"We need to create two incidents, one where we shoot so close to our candidate, even the most precise weapon would have an MOA deviation that it could kill him (but it won't). Then we will engineer a man with a history that spans several years of schizo activities and larping as an anti-russia fighter (simply an organizer for the cause, he's never have the balls to actually fight). This guy will fail even faster than the first guy. This is all our master plan to rally Trumps base, which has never needed rallying."

[disgruntled-foreign-patriarch]

this is more of an unlikely conspiracy theory than the Glowie one

[beardedmrbean]

I don't think this guy was brought in by team maga, just a hunch.

[skelecausal]

I am pretty sure Catturd is making the implication that someone on the inside wanted Trump dead, not that it was staged to make Trump look good.

[branden-aka-cowboyduke]

Since the reblogs are turned off

I'll share it this way

[disgruntled-foreign-patriarch]

it absolutely is true

[skelecausal]

Reminds me of this post

[siryouarebeingmocked]

I love the assumption in the tweet that the same men hold both opinions. Many men - and women - are simply against all sexism. 

Including me.

Of course, by the same lolgic, it’s okay to tar all women with the same brush as the minority who do bad things.

>Cooking is womens work, but only in the home, the majority of professional Chefs are male.

How is that sexism? Professional chefery is a lot different from cooking for yourself or your family. 

Also, aren’t bakeries often run by women?

>Tending to the sick is women’s work, but only in the home, the majority of doctors are male.

…Who says women are supposed to tend to the sick? If the sick is a kid, maybe. And if the stay at home dad is a man, he’s expected to do it.

And, again, how is a gender disparity necessarily sexism? Women are still more likely to be nurses. And they outnumber doctors.

The gender ratio is 60/40 male/female. That’s not a huge majority.

By this lolgic, feminism’s majority of women would be evidence of sexism against men. In fact, feminism is rarely concerned with any field where women dominate.

>Caring about clothes and fashion is stupid and girly, but only at a consumer level, most fashion designers are male.

And are usually designing for women, because women generally care more about fashion and appearance. So women buy more clothes.

Is this what you’ve been reduced to? The fact that a tiny minority of men are fashion designers is not some sort of hypocrisy on the part of men that aren’t.

Just like the doctor thing.

>Women is the sex trade are disgusting and basically subhuman, but males are the majority of pimps and johns. 

Turns male hookers are treated even worse, and neither pimps or johns are exactly lauded as heroes.

You did notice that all of those are still illegal, right?

Also, pimps are often employees of the “sex trader” women. Think agent/bodyguard, not slave driver.

>Men are the ones who ‘do the dirty work’ but most men pitch a fit if their wives ask them to change their babies diaper.

1. Citation needed.

https://warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/research_punctures_modern/

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/fathers-day-approaches-dads-young-children-say-they-do-their-fair-share-chores-including-changing

2. Men are expected to take out the garbage, do home and car repairs, including plumbing, etc. When it comes to actual jobs, men literally do the dirty work.

[96t100blues]

Let’s just call it what it is - these people are fighting ghosts.

They literally wage war on the opinions of morons 50-100yrs ago. The invent boogeymen that are more ideologically backwards than my great grandparents. They have virtually no enemies anymore in the developed world, but they are addicted to the fight. So they just wander around aimlessly talking down to anything that’s not like them because the actual bad guys they are sure lurk around every corner are, for the most part and excluding themselves of course, are dead and gone.

It’s fucking sad really.

[atepa09]

> By this lolgic, feminism’s majority of women would be evidence of sexism against men. In fact, feminism is rarely concerned with any field where women dominate.

Can we come back to this for a moment… let’s forget about female dominated roles and go back to male dominated ones. Where is feminism’s push to become plumbers, and miners, Oil rig operators, and fishermen… where the industries are usually in the high 90’s of male done work. Why do they push to be doctors, or programmers, or CEOs saying “make space for us in your industry”, but not others?

[siryouarebeingmocked]

I’m pretty sure the only difficult, dangerous field that’s mostly men that feminists want to get women into…is the military. And even then, they rarely say a single word about the lower physical qualification standards for female soldiers.

[skelecausal]

Even then, they will never ever push for something as harmful to women like degenderizing the draft. They only care about the women who happen to want to join the military. At least some of them argue that the draft should be ended, but I've seen many argue that drafting only males is good or that men deserve to be drafted.

[siryouarebeingmocked]

For the record, vitiligo is estimated at 0.5 to 1%, worldwide. I grew up in a black-majority country, and I think I know one person who had it.

[skelecausal]

IIRC, most of the time its minor light patches, not the full on bleached sections like those in the media

[mapsontheweb]

Countries with highest number of active-duty US Troops overseas (June 2024)

[generallemarc]

#this always makes me so confused like wtf are they doing in japan besides fucking japanese women and having usamerican japanese children?

See, there’s this tiny little country called China that’s the world’s largest dictatorship and wants to become a superpower, and an unimportant little nuclear-armed statelet called North Korea that exists for the sole purpose of saying it’s going to conquer the South and also get revenge on Japan for stuff that happened before 90% of people alive today were even born.

[faggotcitosis]

[generallemarc]

#who the fuck do you think you are to speak to me on a condescending tone?

Someone who isn’t stupid enough to think that the world’s largest dictatorship is akshually the good guy. But I’m sure your social credit score will improve for your defense of Comrade Xi Jinpooh.

[siryouarebeingmocked]

“You shouldn’t speak to me in a condescending tone, when I ignore basic geopolitics to make smug assumptions without seconds of research or thought. Also, I think America is always wrong, which is a totally sane and intellectual position to have.”

[rametarin]

Yes because this ‘map of the world’ fact is totally not something a Russian or Chinese agitprop blog would produce.

[honne-ga-deru]

I also love the implication that japanese women are completely and utterly incapable of making their own choices and are too pure to be going around fucking exotic men

Just say you hate mixed race kids omg

[skelecausal]

I remember seeing something about why there are so many servicemen in Japan having children with native Japanese. The gist is that both Americans and Japanese don't really see a lot of the traditional "ugly" facial figures as ugly, so when 2 people who would be considered ugly in their own cultures find each other really attractive, its a lot more likely they will have kids together

[liarsblade]

Also I think that a lot of people currently involved in the backlash to early 2000s/10s nerd culture are not quite grasping how often "nerd" (and similar terms) were/are softer versions of autist/r-slur/gay freak/etc.

[liarsblade]

"no one was actually bullied for liking star wars" is... True. In a way. Like they weren't bullied for liking star wars, they were bullied for a perceived proximity to neurodivergence/developmental disability/faggotry. Which presented as liking star wars wrong & too much. Like some kind of freak.

[liarsblade]

aaaaaand this ties into why cishet white male nerds tend to be Like That. they're bitter specifically about the fact that the things that are supposed to happen to those [slurs] happened to them also, because they got sorted wrong due to liking star wars too much [sic]

Not a new observation, necessarily, but I felt like reiterating.

[liarsblade]

Frustratingly though some people picked up on the fact that cishet white guy nerds are doing this and then wayyyyy over corrected on the pushback. Like white boys got weird about the proximity so now the proximity isn't real and everyone is lying about being bullied as a child. Drawing any connections between nerdiness (derogatory) and neurodivergence gets you immediately dunked on for "trying to say that nerds are oppressed". Gamergate happened and now we all have to pretend that "being really into anime" has never been a euphemism for anything else. Sucks.

[tuulikki]

My cishet white dad was bullied in high school in the '70s for being a skinny jock who did “weird” jock activities (backcountry skiing, mountain climbing) rather than glorious manly all-American football. So while many of us would see it as jock-on-jock violence, the Toxic Masculinity™️ system nevertheless ruled that mountain climbing was an effete sport for the limp-wristed.

The standards are arbitrary but damn are they ever rigidly enforced.

[iamthetruenhaz]

I'm a white (well, as "white" as someone from Eastern Europe can be) cis straight male whatever other enemy of the people category you want, and a nerd. I started this reblog with the intent to angrily refute it but my recollections (forgive the stuffy language, I'm not trying to sound smart, it's midnight here, I just got off work and English isn't englishing) resulted in something that more confirms what is said above.

I got bullied and ostracized for being a nerd at school (if in America it doesn't happen anymore, well, we're several decades behind.) I don't remember thinking "this shit should be happening to those other people, not to me, I should be Right Up There with the Normal™ bois". But I do remember my only "friend" in elementary. See, maybe I never experienced this type of thinking because there was rarely anyone who was bullied noticeably more than me, and if there were people bullied as much, well, that's how I made friends. But this guy. See, we didn't have the loanword "нърд" (nerd) in the 00s yet, so the first division I heard of was "cool" vs "lame".

So you have the cool kids who are more delinquents than jocks (we didn't have any official sports teams and the like) being all tough guys, playing soccer with our butts just as much as with the football, bragging with their flashy goods (a Sony Ericsson with a color display in 2002, whoa!) and kicking our backpacks across the hallway.

And there's the "lame ones". The dorks. Of course, not all dorks are alike. My "friend" was a dork because he was short, scrawny and with a cleft palate. I was a dork (and a зубър, nerd in the academic sense) because I was a year younger, a good student, wore glasses, and had what tumblr would probably diagnose as audhd. About the only thing we shared was being unathletic.

(Now, no one bullied us for being fans of the popular things - Spiderman, Beast Wars, Goosebumps or whatever other cartoon was on TV, or, well, Star Wars, or Diablo or Warcraft. Not per sé. But the moment, the fucking MOMENT you showed more than a superficial interest, anything beyond "hehe, cool pew pew" or "aaaaa bro my sorc todally crushes on Hell", you would get ridiculed as a nerd. This persisted later in the Game of Thrones decade - cool guys did get to play WoW an watch Game of Thrones, but only to own nerds or to slobber at tiddies and blood and dragons, admiring anything else made you uncool. This is an aside re: "bUt nO oNe mAkEs fUn oF pOp cUlTuRe gEeKs".)

So this guy. See, he wanted to climb up. To stop being made fun of for his cleft palate and skinny build. Understandable. So he starts playing the "cool" guy to fit in. Gangsta rap (a bit of a delay from the west but that's the ruins of the Iron Curtain for you) was all the rage so this guy starts wearing baggy sweatshirts, gets decked out in hip hop sneakers, a color display phone and starts talking in "batka" (a variation of "bro" that later became shorthand for semi-criminal musclehead gym bros) and "took me under his wing". I asked him in 6th grade - who is cool and who isn't? And batka goes "see, they're cool, you're lame and I'm in the middle". Bam, hierarchy established and he's not down on the bottom! End of the year I ask him again - am I cool now or am I still lame? And he says, you're in the middle. I ask and where are you? He strokes his chin and says, yeah, me, I'm sorta above the middle now.

Another example in high school. See, I was at an "elite", more academically inclined high school, so there were more nerdy people. We had a group, and even in that group there was a hierarchy of who was the "coolest". And I mean normie "cool". So there's another guy - scrawny, with some really bad acne, good student, board game fan, the makings of a nerd. He wanted to not be the last nerd, he took me under his wing and started teaching me about rappers, clothes, girls. You know, cool guy stuff. Just to feel superior to someone.

So yeah, I don't think I've ever willingly participated in that stupid nerd/cool hierarchy, but it definitely is a thing.

[morlock-holmes]

The post right above strikes me as a much more honest take on high school bullying and status games than the OP.

Like, come on OP, if I told you I was part of a hobby where one of the major questions was why hobbyists of my ethnicity are Like That you'd be horrified. If I told you that I heard all kinds of speculation about why hobbyists of my ethnicity are Like That, if I overheard it frequently in real life conversations, saw it on social media, and that prominent hobby publications and media personalities wrote articles and made videos about why hobbyists of my ethnicity were Like That, you'd be very sympathetic,

Until I mention that my ethnicity is "White" and then you'd tell me to get over myself.

I know because I've had that conversation.

White cis-het nerds are Like That because you see no issue in asking why we are "Like That".

The following paragraph is really inside baseball stuff that only my mutuals will really get:

I really have no nostalgia or attachment to "gatekeeping" because to me it always felt like that thing the person right above me is talking about:

People who are low on the totem pole generally so they find a way to be a big fish in a small pond, looking for somewhere where they can be the ones deciding whether people are lame, where they can dish it out instead of taking it.

I can feel bad for the high school kids who took that path but I don't miss that shit.

So, like, nerd social warring about like, cis-het white dudes vs. neuroatypicals or whatever false dichotomy is going to get two kinds of pushback:

First, the previous big fish of the small pond are going to see their hegemony challenged and obviously they'll fight back;

Second, you also have a bunch of people who already feel like outsiders and were participating in nerd culture because they kept hearing people outside going, "Hey, why are people like you Like That?" and saw nerd culture as a place to get away from that, and aren't too happy about "So why are people like you Like That" seeping into their previous escape from exactly that question.

PS - There's a lot of cultural revisionism going on, I'm old enough to remember when culturally speaking, not everybody was mentally ill. Like you can trace the path further back but the mainstreaming and acceptance of mental illness as an everyday condition rather than a rare problem for people in mental institutions really picked up steam in the 90s and especially the 00s.

Like, old school jokes about crazy Star Trek fans dressing up in Star fleet uniforms were really just jokes about eccentric people; high functioning autism wasn't really a cultural thing.

[liarsblade]

Does your interpretation of the post change at all if I make it very explicit that "Like That" was a lighthearted euphemism for "horrible bigot and harasser who makes the scene uncomfortable and unsafe for everyone else"?

[knuckle]

@morlock-holmes

As someone who was a nerdy biracial girl in the 2000s going to an 97% white school, I think the amount of lack of charity here is stunning. There's the fact that white nerd men/boys were incredibly misogynistic and conceited on one end & being treated like a freak on the other by normies.

There's also the fact that even among the nerds and outcasts 1) being a woman and 2) not having two white parents made you even weirder when 3) being autistic made me unable to compensate for my lack of social skills with charm, social cohesion like the Eastern European poster above. It's stunning to me that OP was talking pretty clearly about how making fun of nerds was definitely a coded way of bullying (and sometimes misidentifying) neuroatypical people. But OP's equally clear idea that non-autistic cishet white men got weird about it and started targeting marginalized people they thought they were better than seems to elide the people who have an issue with this post.

Being there for gamergate, men and boys constantly going on about "fake" nerds, etc. should have taught you something about the cishet white male entitlement in "nerd" culture back then. For example, even on Tumblr plenty of people of color posted about not feeling welcome in fandom spaces in the 2010s (including physical cons). Plenty of women were writing about being sent rape threats and harassed for ever talking about misogyny in gamer culture. Plenty of LGBT+ people were harassed for wanting to see more representation of their lives.

It's not that OP is constructing a false dichotomy - you are. OP is saying that white nerd men got targeted and bullied for their interests because their interests were proximal stand-ins for marginalization (neurodivergence) and a privileged bigoted subgroup harpooned our ability to discuss hoe nerds were bullied because they launched some of the worst and most disgusting harassment campaigns the internet had ever seen against people more marginalized bit just as nerdy as them (e.g. Gamergate)

[morlock-holmes]

"Is it better if I make it clear that when I say people of your ethnicity are often "like that" I'm saying that they are gross bigots?"

No?

I continue to be fascinated by these demands for charity for things that would be blasted to pieces if they were directed towards anybody else.

"Here's why female nerds are often like that:"

"Here's why black nerds are often like that:"

You would not, nor should you, extend any charity to anybody talking that way.

Why should I be "charitable" when people talk about me that way?

The reason people have to pretend that asshole nerds weren't bullied is because this whole thing would collapse if they were. The entire sociology relies on this idea of complacency and entitlement, and the idea that a lot of these people are "marginalized" in broader society while simultaneously being assholes would somehow demolish this whole thing.

There are a lot of autistic racists out there, sorry to break it to you, and asserting that they're all just angry because they are always treated well so they get mad the few times they aren't is deliberately shutting your eyes.

[skelecausal]

"I'm going to dunk on an outcasted group of people stereotyped to be racist sexist assholes by being a racist sexist asshole to them. If they don't like that, it just means I'm right."

[gsirvitor]

[madame-helen]

[riflebrass]

It's because the braindead anti-capitalists see any and all examples of greed as capitalist. They are unaware that greed corrupts pretty much any institution of power. They are also unaware of the human need to unify against a common enemy. So many wars are driven by sincere ideologies. We may believe in different ideologies today, but the reasons we believe in them haven't changed much. Even though we have technology nobody could have even dreamed of 150 years ago we still have so much in common with our ancestors from thousands of years ago. Similarly hundreds of years from now our descendants will have so much in common with us.

[leaveyourego]

So, in truth it's:

"People. People never change."

[riflebrass]

Yeah pretty much

[fresnel149]

In Fallout’s case it’s because co-creator JE Sawyer is a massive communist and has come out in public several times saying the game is about Capitalism Bad. Meanwhile co-creator Tim Caine has publicly stated that it was never about communism or capitalism but about how human nature leads to conflict, and nuclear war is inevitable.

[skelecausal]

BTW, Josh Sawyer was only the lead on Van Beuren (the cancelled Fallout 3 from Interplay) and New Vegas. He wasnt involved in Fallout 1, 2, any of the Interplay spinoffs, and didnt touch anything Fallout officially after NV's DLCs were finished.

However, Tim Caine (Fallout 1 creator and Fallout 2 contributor), Chris Avellone (Fallout 2 writer and level designer), and Emil Pagliarulo (Lead Designer and Lead Writer for Fallout 3 and 4, design director for Fallout 76) all agree that the point of the games is a critique on human nature and how we will always be shitty and warlike. Capitalism just came under fire a few times as did Communism and many other -isms

[beaft]

my favourite instagram account is "wheredoesthepeecomeout" and it's run by a girl who asks men on tinder where cis women pee from and then documents their answers

[beaft]

some highlights:

[beaft]

everybody sit down we have a winner

[feminist-space]

[thc-mx-deactivated20210619]

Oh my fucking God lmao

[sew-birb]

Pee does come from the bloodstream, but I'd be real worried if that was where it came out

[xirlos]

This is the funniest possible use of this image I can think of.

[brazenautomaton]

"vagina" is as correct as saying "penis" is for where men pee out of

"uh you're so ignorant it's actually the urethra" men pee out of the urethra too, you don't require people to say that men pee out of the urethra, you're willing to accept that someone uses a word to refer to "that whole apparatus down there" without demanding more specificity

[siryouarebeingmocked]

>cis women Um, why specify that? I'm pretty sure trans women also do not have cloacas. Also, someone do the same with the genders reversed. Assuming this actually happened.

[skelecausal]

Trans women pee out of the urethra as well, which was the answer wheredoesthepeecomeout was looking for. That makes the whole distinction pointless.