We collectively identify as acespec and panromantic though orientation depends on alter
We are bodily intersex and collectively identify as genderqueer
We are a hc-DID system with an alter count of 900+
We are level 2 Autistic with low to no empathy, we have ADHD, Dysgraphia, Bipolar type Schizoaffective Disorder,Synesthesia, and several physical disabilities
Our main interests are Kandi, Herpetology,Marine Biology,Paleoanthropology,SCP,PJO,Hazbin Hotel, and Pokémon
This blog is for whatever we want to put on the wider internet but don’t cross post us to anywhere
DNI if: (pro)notraumagenic systems (neutrals can interact if the only reason for neutrality is ignorance)
TMA/TME users (while transfem folks do experience their own form of oppression so do transmasc folks, nonbinary and/or genderqueer folks, and intersex folks so if you use tma/tme unless you’re okay with each of those groups having their own equivalents to “tma/tme” do not interact)
(Pro)Radqueer/transids (transgender and transspecies are not the ones we’re talking about)
BYI: we have zero idea of tone over text and speech
We are semi verbal leaning towards nonverbal
We often come across as emotionless when tired and/or dissociated
Other boundaries: no shipcourse (we learned fandom etiquette before the pandemic)
Ask not assume but look up what you would ask before you send it to make sure you aren’t just stereotyping (stereotypes are a waste of time and energy)
Don’t treat our fictives like their sources, only talk about the source of one of our fictives with them if they bring their source up first (this does include asking what their source is but not asking if they are a fictive), don’t speculate on the sources of our fictives (if it’s relevant the alter in question will mention their source)
It's really cool interacting and just coming across accounts that are run by systems because I get to learn all kinds of things. It's also interesting being able to witness when alters switch and seeing how different each one is. Suffice to say that I think you all are cool, rad as fuck.
In my very limited understanding and knowledge of DID, I am only familiar with it being a result of trauma. Whatever the traumatic experience, an alter is created as a reaction of some sort. In that dividing into multiple other identities as a response to what happened. From what I have learned so far, alters do interact with each other and a switch can occur for a number of reasons.
Recently, I came across an idea that an alter can be willed into existence. This sounds odd to me and rather confusing considering my only knowledge is, again limited, as it relates to trauma. Maybe its a me issue due lack of understanding but it sounds like 'willing DID to happen' is making light of the actual disorder. Before knowing really anything about it, I thought it was the coolest thing to have but after learning even a little bit, the idea of having DID is honestly pretty scary. (I hope I don't sound rude here, I wasn't sure how else to put it). So the idea of wanting it to happen creates this sort of 'ick' reaction in me. I could be completely misunderstanding the situation here so I thought to ask your perspective.
If you are comfortable with answering, could you explain how DID can occur? Along with your thoughts on the notion of 'willing' it into existence?
Even if you choose not to answer, thank you for taking the time to read this. I appreciate you all and hope you have a wonderful day.
DID,OSDD, and P-DID are all caused by prolonged childhood trauma. The willing a system or alter into existence thing is related to a group of people who are ableist against people with CDDs (complex dissociative disorders (DID,OSDD, and P-DID)), I would recommend doing your own research because right now I don’t have the energy to explain more in depth right now.
Stop abusing your boyfriends and yes what you are doing is abuse.
Stop:
Yelling at him in front of his friends
Hitting or slapping him when he does or says something you don’t like
Telling him he doesn’t have a choice when it comes to decisions that involve both of you
Telling him he can’t hang out with friends because you don’t like him
Telling him to not talk to other girls even if they are his friend
Forcing him to spend every moment with you
Belittling him and pointing out all his flaws
Calling him stupid or making fun of him for making a mistake
Threatening to break up with him if he doesn’t do what you want
Being emotionally manipulative and crying until he does what you want
Accusing him of cheating every time he’s not with you
Blow up is phone if he doesn’t text you every five minutes
Telling him you are the must thing that has ever happened to him and no one else will love
Physically attacking him when ever you are mad
Forcing him to have sex despite that fact that he said he didn’t want to
Invading his privacy by going through his phone
Getting mad at him for changing his password and demanding he tell you what it is
If a guy did any of these things to a girl it would be considered abuse but since its the other way around its considered normal. Throughout High school I saw many girl treating their boyfriends like shit. Sometime even physically abusing them in the hallways and no one trying to stop it because its a girl attacking a boy.
Boys: If your girlfriend does anything on this list leave her. It is abuse and you deserve better.
Girls: if you find your self doing anything on this list to your boyfriend you need to knock it off because you are being abusive.
Being passive aggressive with him when he wants to spend time with friends or doing other things
controlling when he’s able to go out with friends
Breaking up his friendships with other girls just because you’re insecure
Making him feel like his opinions in decisions that affect the both of you are irrelevant and don’t matter
SENDING HIS NUMBER TO STRANGERS TO TEST IF HE’S LOYAL OR NOT
testing him in anyway in general without his knowledge or permission (example: catfishing! it’s manipulative and weird don’t fucking do that)
taking money/credit cards without permission to spend on things without his knowledge ( had an ex friend do this constantly to her boyfriend and she’d always condone it because “he’ll get over it” )
guilting him for hanging out with friends/family over you and making him choose between you and friends/family
telling him “you don’t love me if you *insert harmless activity he wants to do here* “
being rude or mean to him in front of others to assert dominance or power over him
downloading apps to spy on his phone activity (yes, this is a thing “”regular”” people do) or snooping on his social media to see who he’s talking to
hitting him, slapping him, punching him, shoving him. literally how do people not understand slapping your male partner is bad. people tend to find this funny in media and society and its weird. KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF YOUR PARTNER WITHOUT PERMISSION.
I come from a family of very forward and manipulative women and i see it in media all the time. it’s fucked and people need to not be accepting of young girls acting like snot-nosed, abusive shit heads that think they can get away with manipulation and cruelty because they happen to be girls.
and let me add this. ABUSIVE TEEN GIRLFRIENDS TURN INTO ABUSIVE GROWN ASS WOMEN GIRLFRIENDS WHO TURN INTO ABUSIVE WIVES.
if you have an abusive teen or young adult gf right now fellas, leave. don’t let her use you to get her shit right. you’ll be so fucked up by the time she gets it together if she ever does and believe that most likely she won’t.
Women/young girls can definitely be just as abusive. I knew a young man that got ran over and had his leg broken by his girlfriend because (in her words he annoyed her) He refused to press charges. Another young lady started to hit her ex boyfriend because he wouldn’t take her back because of the abuse. He called the cops on her and they literally started laughing at him because she was very petite in comparison to him. Anyone can be abusive and I wish more people understood that.
alright I've got to do some quick math to explain attitudes towards AI to my boss.
we're looking to create an AI policy, and when we were talking about this, my boss (older millennial) was genuinely shocked to hear that younger people do not (seem) to view AI positively (a la the recent commencement speakers being booed)
please rb for larger sample size!
Question 1/3
What is your age, and do you feel AI is a net positive or net negative in our lives today?
5. It’s hard to be offended when white people jokes involve bland food/tourist dads in socks and sandals/white girls in yoga pants obsessed with pumpkin spice/suburban PTA moms and other harmless and mostly true stereotypes while jokes about POC involve them being called thugs/criminals/slurs/uneducated/illegal immigrants.
6. They’re usually really fucking funny and don’t perpetuate stereotypes that will ever affect me economically, politically, or cause me any true harm, let alone create risks that “justify” my murder and/or death
This is important to reblog for yourself too, not just for others to see it. You never know when something could come up and if you need help it’s right there on your blog
Please stop and read for a few minutes to help support stigmatized people with dissociative disorders
This isn't for a financial cause, a political statement, or an obligation on your part. You are fully allowed to scroll by. However, you reading and reblogging this post could help save people from falling into ableist ideology. At the very least, please read the TLDRs under each section of this post to understand the gist of the situation, and share
But first, some background, and a vocabulary lesson
What is this post about?
This post is a PSA to spread awareness on the topic of endogenic systems and the Empowered Multiples Movement. This post is strictly against their ideals and is an in-depth explanation of how people in these movements came to be that way, why their actions are harmful to people with dissociative disorders, and what you can do to prevent their ideology from spreading and harming others.
What's the vocabulary we need to know? And what is a dissociative disorder?
A dissociative disorder is a disorder caused in the developmental stages of a child's life (ages around 4-10 years old, sometimes younger) where the brain develops personality. It is exclusively caused by trauma being inflicted on the child that causes them to dissociate to help them tolerate the trauma or memories of the trauma.
It is a covert disorder, which means it hides its symptoms from its holder, making it difficult for many people to recognize that they are systems or seek help on the matter.
And some vocab...
System
A broad term to refer to someone who claims to have multiple personality states. Despite originally being medical terminology, this term has been stolen by endogenic people.
Singlet
A term to refer to those without dissociative disorders, whose minds present as one connected personality state without dissociative barriers. The average person is this way.
pwCDD
Stands for 'person with a complex dissociative disorder' or 'people with complex dissociative disorders'. Refers to anyone who presents as having a dissociative disorder.
Traumagenic
A term for systems who claims to have their system or personality states borne from trauma. This term has been forced upon people with CDDs in order to differentiate themselves from endogenic systems.
Endogenic
An umbrella term for someone who claims to not have their system or personality states borne from trauma, but from some other reason. Some additions in this umbrella include willogenic, tulpagenic, etc.
Final Fusion
A term to refer to when a pwCDD has their final two personality states merge with each other to create one distinct personality state without dissociative or memory barriers, after intensive therapy and cooperation to integrate these states and remove barriers. While not every system wants to have final fusion, it is generally considered a good thing to look towards and a sign of recovery.
But how do we know that endogenic systems are not real or connected to pwCDDs?
TLDR: Because all psychiatric evidence points against the correlation of endogenic systems and dissociative systems, and there is not much information or proper studies about them existing at all.
The criteria for dissociative identity disorder (DID), the most well known dissociative disorder, is as follows (according to the DSM-5):
The existence of two or more distinct identities (or “personality states”).
The distinct identities are accompanied by changes in behavior, memory and thinking.
The signs and symptoms may be observed by others or reported by the individual. Ongoing gaps in memory about everyday events, personal information and/or past traumatic events.
The symptoms cause significant distress or problems in social, occupational or other areas of functioning.
In addition, the disturbance must not be a normal part of a broadly accepted cultural or religious practice. As noted in the DSM-5-TR1, in many cultures around the world, experiences of being possessed are a normal part of spiritual practice and are not dissociative disorders.
The above statement says it all. Endogenic systems could be considered disturbances created by cultural (see: endo spaces online) or religious (see: the theft of tulpamancy and creation of 'tulpagenic' by endogenic systems online) practices. They do not classify as dissociative disorders and therefore should stay out of areas intended for pwCDDs, and not use the medical terminology for those people.
Why are endogenic systems harmful?
TLDR: Because endogenic systems steal medical terminology and prevent real systems from discovering themselves and seeking help, as well as show an incorrect and romanticized view of dissociative disorders
Endogenic systems break into system spaces by taking medical terminology like 'parts', 'system', 'alters', 'personalities', 'inner world/mindscape', 'fragment', 'persecutor', the list goes on. Endogenic systems take these terms and often misinterpret them, because all of these terms can only manifest in a person if they are a pwCDD who has experienced trauma in their childhood.
Additionally, endogenic systems often spread ideology in their spaces that pertains to hiding or ignoring specific parts of this identity to pwCDDs; an example is how endogenic systems are often against people looking into therapy or recovery, or the idea of final fusion, because endogenic systems do not see dissociative disorders as a DISSOCIATIVE disorder, but as an ALTER disorder (i.e they only care for representing the symptom of having other people in their brain).
Endogenic systems often romanticize this idea of being a system: they want to have 'friends in their head' who 'help them with tasks', but are unwilling to accept or acknowledge the other symptoms that often come with being a system, like strong dissociation, memory loss, anxiety, delusions, suicidal and self harm ideation, chronic nightmares, chronic headaches/migraines/stomachaches, and more.
This creates not only a misrepresentation of CDDs to pwCDDs, but also to other people online witnessing it, which makes people take the disorder less seriously. An example might be back in 2020 when lots of people on TikTok were faking DID: when people hear the word, they think of people listing their alters and not representing any of the grittier symptoms, and are less likely to listen to these traumatized people because of this recollection of endogenic systems.
All of this combined leads back to the Empowered Multiples Movement, where the idea of endogenic systems started.
Wait, what's the 'Empowered Multiplicity Movement'?
TLDR: it's a movement from the 1990s-2000s that spawned the idea of endogenic systems and advocated for the removal of DID from medical spaces and the DSM-5
Endogenic systems have had a history stretching back to the 1960s where their term was coined by Sigmund Freud (here it was not referring to this idea of systems, but it is the first known mention of the word 'endogenic' in history).
30 or 40 years after the fact, 'Empowered Multiples' began to show up online, where a few select people began to use the term 'endogenic' to refer to themselves as systems without dissociative disorders.
They also advocated for the removal of DID (or, at the time, MPD) from the DSM, said that those who identified with the term DID or CDD labels were inferior and faking, and would encourage people to write papers and articles against the idea of DID and boycott the term online. They specifically used the term 'natural' to refer to being a system.
It's important to know that this was not a movement borne from love. This movement is, palpably, born from the hatred and purposeful stigmatization of people with DID. The people who spawned the term likely never had system experiences or even fully considered themselves true systems, but did this to hurt people who did.
Why should I, a singlet, care?
Because your care (and reblog/share) can help spread this message to those who need it, and let pwCDDs know that they are safe around you/that you won't tolerate ableism.
Those who have experienced dissociative symptoms, but have never cared to seek out more information or a diagnosis because of the misinformation spread by endogenics, could find this post helpful and end up discovering more about themselves, improving their quality of life significantly. If that's you, and you've been relating to the experiences presented here, I highly recommend you look into scholarly/medical sources and look around CDD spaces for more information.
Why should I, an endogenic system, denounce that title?
Because your title is inherently born from the idea that systems are a fake disorder to make fun of, disrespect, misrepresent, and stigmatize.
If you are experiencing symptoms of a CDD, you should look into medical/scholarly sources for more information. You should not fall for the idea that your trauma was "not enough" for you to be a system. You should not fall for the idea that you didn't "have" trauma. Even if you can't remember your trauma, if you experience symptoms of a CDD, you should look into that more deeply. It may help save your life in the future, or improve your quality of life.
For those of you who are endogenic not because you experience symptoms, but because you want to be, I highly recommend you rethink that idea and look into subjects like kinning, alterhumanity, otherkin, fictionkin, etc., all of which are terms for non-disordered people who might have similar (but not the same) experiences as pwCDDs.
Thank you for reading
And a reminder to please reblog if you found this helpful or informative. Let your disordered friends know that they are loved and welcomed in your community without the stigma spread from endogenics being forced onto them.
If you have anything to add, please feel free to in reblogs or comments
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look at these two muscovy ducks.
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